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If there was a battle between stocks and real estate, stocks win
Garry Marr – Financial Post
North American stock markets continue to reach new highs every day but don’t tell anybody in organized real estate about it.
It’s not something the industry wants to hear.
But here you go: By the end of last year real estate prices had climbed about 85% over the previous decade, according to the Teranet/National Composite Bank House Price Index.
Stocks? The TSX/Composite Index has had a total return of about 141% during that period or about 9% annually. Go back 20 years and stocks still return more than 9% annually over the period.
What does that say about housing? Even in one of the best bull runs for the sector, it still gets beat by stocks.
Comment: But that is not a fair comparison, you can live in your house. You would have to deduct housing costs from any stock profits to keep it fair. Housing is also tax-free, investment income is not. It is really an apples to oranges comparison. And a moot one to boot.
And what do you do next with just about everybody predicting the best hope for the Canadian housing market is sideways performance with price gains perhaps slightly ahead of inflation?
Comment: Yeah, predictions of 2–3% price increases nationally and 3–5% in Toronto – that is simply upwards, not sideways. The “25% price drop” kooks can safely be ignored.
Statistics Canada says half of our wealth is now tied up in property. Clearly, many of us have well exceeded the 30% to 50% range financial advisors often suggest as the appropriate portion of assets to be held in bricks and mortar.
Comment: A house is not an investment, it is a home!
No one is saying real estate prices are going to collapse soon, but the argument that it’s a stronger bet than stocks is something realtors are going to find very hard to make.
Comment: No one makes that argument. You are fighting a one sided battle here, no one is opposed.
Simon Côté, managing director of risk management solutions with National Bank, said the Teranet/National index is a good barometer of real estate prices because the methodology looks at repeat sales but removes results such as a home that sells twice in a short period and homes that sell above a maximum and below a minimum price.
“The index is not meant to calculate the price of shacks or mansions,” says Mr. Côté. “I think if you want to compare the index to another asset class, it is a good representation.”
If you slice the numbers a different way, real estate might do better. For instance, in a hot market more expensive homes trade more often and that is going to boost average price and create a better view of housing.
Comment: Not sure about that. Toronto is changing, there are more condos now, which have lower prices, which is pulling the average down for the city as a whole. Take the east side, in the C08 district, average prices are actually lower now than they were 20–25 years ago – because of all of the condos. It used to be all freehold homes then, which tend to sell for more. Add in a ton of $250–350,000 condos and it dilutes all the $900,000 Victorian house sales.
Part of the reason real estate is perceived as the stronger investment is it just doesn’t seem to go down in price – at least for a generation of Canadians.
Comment: Or ever. Toronto average price was $21,360 in 1966 and $543,838 as of May 15th. That is more than a single generation… My grandmother bought her 2-bedroom storey-and-a-half in 1956 for $5,000 – which is only $43,500 in today’s dollars. Two houses right near hers sold for $520,000 and $521,000 about 12 months ago. I now have kids, so that is 4 generations that have seen a house rise 10,410% – yes ten thousand percent.
For the past decade and a half there have been few troughs, other than the one in late 2008 that saw the Teranet index drop 8.5% in eight months. It has since recovered.
Doug Porter, chief economist with Bank of Montreal, noted any comparison with stocks will depend on the period you look at because of the volatility in that asset class.
The fact there hasn’t been those huge variation in valuations of housing might also be the very reason that people continue to believe the line that real estate is the better investment.
“Bear markets in real estate are much rarer than bear markets in equities,” said Mr. Porter. “That generally more stale backdrop tends to put them in a more stable light.”
Real estate also generates a better perception because people tend to buy and hold it, says Ted Rechtshaffen, a certified financial planner and president of TriDelta Financial.
Comment: This is why this is a silly comparison. Houses and stocks are not really the same sort of thing.
“Buy Royal Bank shares and don’t trade them for 20 years and see how you do. People don’t think of these things because it’s too easy to trade a portfolio. Over a couple of years things turn over and you don’t see that same sort of progression,” said Mr. Rechtshaffen, who acknowledges real estate comes with a major advantage of being exempt from capital gains taxes for principal residence and an ability to leverage 95% debt to 5% equity with government backing.
Comment: No one is deducting commissions, trailing commissions, management fees or any of that from non real estate investment. Or the taxes levied on investment profits. I bet if we take all of that off, the 9% return from stocks would be a lot closer to the 6.13% annual return on Toronto real estate since 1996. What are we going to end up arguing, 1%? 1.5%? Is it really THAT big a deal?
But he adds people also don’t consider the transaction costs of exiting any sort of real estate investment. They can easily add up to 10% based on real estate commissions, land transfer taxes and legal fees – a trailer fee that would lead to revolt among mutual fund investors.
Comment: NO. That is NOT right. When you sell, you pay commissions, which are in the 3.5–5% range now. When you buy, you pay land transfer tax, maybe 1.5–2%. Add in $1,600 for a lawyer and that is it. NOWHERE near 10% – but that does not suit the negative narrative… which is why you always hear these bizarre and inflated numbers. With some mutual find fees around 1.5%, buying real estate costs around the same as buying into a top fund.
The planner thinks there will have to be a major real estate crash before people turn their backs on the asset class. “Canadians are very conservative,” he says. “If something goes down, they are afraid of it. It would probably take two years of declining drops [in real estate] to get people to think stock markets are better than real estate.”
Comment: Which will never happen.
None of this is to say they people should sell their homes by any stretch, especially considering the above noted costs of doing that.
There is something to be said for the stability that real estate brings and the forced savings it creates through a mortgage – money many people would burn through even if they take what is usually the cheaper option of renting.
Comment: Renting is not cheaper, not in the long run. I can prove it, read back an article or two and I do just that. No one who as ever said renting is cheaper has been able to prove it mathematically.
But that implies viewing real estate as not just an investment but something you will live in and that makes it ultimately something you consume, making any increase in value a bonus.
Comment: Exactly.
But as an investment it rarely performs better than stocks. It just doesn’t over the long run. It doesn’t matter how often you are told otherwise, it won’t make it true – something that should become clearer as real estate price increases slow.
Comment: But I have shown that the difference is only around 1% or 1.5% – if you hold both for 15–20 years. A lot of people lost a lot of money dumping stocks in 2008 and 2009…
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Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
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Toronto engaging condo developers to help build desperately needed affordable housing.
Laurie Monsebraaten – Toronto Star
With more than 70,000 households languishing for years on Toronto’s affordable housing wait list and few public dollars available for new construction, the city is turning to its burgeoning condo market for help.
Half a dozen condominium developers have inked deals with the city and non-profit housing providers to offer low-income families and individuals affordable rental and ownership units in their buildings.
Proposed amendments to Toronto’s Official Plan to be debated by city council next month are designed to encourage more developers to play ball.
The changes come in the wake of a new province-wide campaign trying to put affordable housing back on the political agenda, as low-income families and individuals struggle to pay rent in the shadow of hundreds of pricey downtown condominium towers.
“It’s not a solution to the housing crisis,” says Councillor Adam Vaughan (Ward 20 Trinity-Spadina.)
“But in the absence of a real national or provincial housing program, we’re going to have to find a thousand other small inventions to try and see what works and what can be done.
“If one day Ottawa or Queen’s Park decide to get engaged, we’ll be ready to roll out these policies and models and deliver the housing we need.”
Some condo buyers may balk at investing in a building that includes units for low-income people for fear it will depress property values.
But Alan Vihant, senior vice-president of development for Great Gulf Homes, says he has had no pushback from purchasers at the company’s Charlie condo near King St. W. and Spadina Ave., which opened last fall.
Great Gulf offered the city four affordable rental units in the 36-storey building, along with other public benefits, in exchange for added height and density.
“At the end of the day, a lot of condos that are purchased are rented out,” Vihant says.
The affordable units are really no different, he argues, as they are scattered throughout the building and have the same doors, finishes and square footage as the rest of the units.
“As a strategy for affordable housing, I think it is actually much better to distribute a few units in every building as opposed to collecting 200 units of affordable housing and putting them all in one building,” he adds.
Encouraging affordable rental and ownership units in condominium developments will prevent downtown Toronto from becoming a “vertical suburb,” says Vaughan.
“We need a mix – from the person who works at the corner store in the base of the condominium to the person who cleans the office across the street,” he says. “They all deserve the opportunity to walk to work just like everybody else in the neighbourhood.”
Artscape led the way in 2007 in response to the loss of affordable live-work space for cash-strapped artists in the rapidly gentrifying West Queen West area.
It partnered with developer Urbancorp and community group Active 18 to include affordable ownership and rental units for artists in a traditional condominium complex.
Artscape Triangle Lofts, which opened in 2011 and occupies the first three floors of the 18-storey Westside Gallery Lofts condominium development near Queen St. W. and Dovercourt, was a pioneer, notes Sean Gadon, the city’s manager of housing development.
Gadon helped the project secure city benefits, such as property tax and development charge exemptions for those units, which are part of traditional affordable housing deals. It allowed Artscape to offer 48 below-market ownership units and 20 affordable apartments as well as gallery and café space for the artists. To keep costs down, the artists don’t share Westside’s pool or other amenities and use a separate entrance and lobby.
Actor Jane Luk still can’t believe she scooped an affordable apartment at Triangle Lofts.
A tenant since the building opened, Luk pays about $790 a month for her 600-square-foot apartment on the third floor – considerably less than the $1,009 monthly average for a one-bedroom apartment in Toronto. The city defines rents as “affordable” if they are at least 20% lower than the average for a given unit.
Comment: Say what? The average rent for a 1-bedroom is closer to $1,600!
Luk had been living on friends’ sofas due to money woes before she moved in.
“I honestly thought I would have to move into my parents’ basement,” said the 40-something full-time actor, writer, producer and improviser.
“I just feel so relieved that I got in,” she says outside the condo’s brightly painted lobby over the clamour of construction crews working on condo towers to the east and north of her building. “It’s the only way I could live in the city and be where my work is.”
Although Luk says Artscape units with their exposed ceiling pipes and concrete walls, floors and pillars are “pretty bare bones,” the security of an affordable home and the support of fellow artists nearby allows her to focus her energies on her art.
Since Artscape, Gadon has worked with developers and non-profits to secure another dozen apartments and two dozen ownership units for low-income people. The strategy is beginning to offer the possibility of mixed neighbourhoods in Toronto’s growing vertical city.
But the numbers are still small. By comparison, about 285 affordable apartments in rental buildings are under construction or in the planning pipeline.
Councillors Vaughan, Kristyn Wong-Tam (Ward 27, Toronto Centre–Rosedale) and Ana Bailao (Ward 18, Davenport) who chairs the city’s affordable housing committee, have been champions on the political side.
Together, they have been using Section 37 of the city’s Official Plan – which allows municipalities to grant developers increased height and density in return for public benefits such as public art, parks and daycares – to squeeze affordable units into highrise condominium towers.
Toronto chief planner Jennifer Keesmaat says it is time to make these “one-off” deals explicitly part of the city’s affordable housing tool-box.
Proposed changes would add affordable rental units in condominiums owned and operated by non-profit housing providers and affordable home ownership, built by non-profit charities, to the list of eligible Section 37 benefits.
“It sends a very clear message that this is something that is desired,” Keesmaat says. “So instead of stumbling through this on a case-by-case basis and essentially securing affordable housing simply by will and might, we instead have some more clarity on how it might work when we are going to do it.”
Across the province, Richmond Hill is the only other municipality believed to be using condominium development to add desperately needed housing for low-income people. It recently secured seven affordable rental units in three condo developments.
In Toronto, developer Great Gulf began negotiations in 2008 with the city to donate four condos to the Kehilla Affordable Housing Program.
The non-profit housing provider serving the Jewish community was the first to forge a deal with a developer to acquire condo units, for the nominal cost of $10 each.
Rents – ranging from just under $700 for two bachelor units, to between $700 and $900 for one-bedroom and two-bedroom apartments – cover condo fees, maintenance and administration costs.
“Will it be repeated? I would hope so,” said Kehilla’s executive director, Nancy Singer.
But she worries the city is jumping on this concept 10 years too late.
“If we had done this when 100,000 (condo) units were being built and if 1% were developed like this, we would have had thousands of units of truly affordable housing at no cost to anybody,” she says.
“But you can’t look backwards, you look forward. The opportunity is still there.”
Other affordable housing in condominiums since 2011:
The Bisha Hotel and Residences, 56 Blue Jays Way
Lifetime Developments includes a floor of rent-controlled apartments for hotel workers in its 41-storey hotel-condo project under construction on the old Second City site. It will include five three-bedroom units for families and two studio apartments for singles. Expected occupancy: 2016
Pace, 155 Dundas St. E., at Sherbourne St.
Artscape is working with developer Great Gulf to include 13 below-market ownership units and one rental apartment for artists in the 46-storey tower. Expected occupancy: 2015
Ten York, at Harbour St.
The 62-storey tower being developed by Tridel will include 12 affordable units managed as co-ops by the Co-op Housing Federation of Toronto. Expected occupancy: 2016
210 Simcoe St., north of Queen St.
Diamond Corp.’s 25-storey building near the Ontario College of Art includes four affordable ownership and one affordable rental unit owned and managed by Artscape for artists. Expected occupancy: Summer 2015
159 Wellesley St. E., at Sherbourne St.
Habitat for Humanity is working with Diamond Corp. to secure eight below-market ownership units for families in the 35-storey building. Expected occupancy: to be determined
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416−388−1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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