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You want that dream home? Why you’ll have to join the line in this thin housing market

Car­olyn Ire­land – The Globe and Mail

Toronto real estate agent Monte Bur­ris looked out the front win­dow of a Sun­ny­side Avenue house recently and saw a small crowd lined up on the side­walk. That was 45 min­utes before he was sched­uled to receive the hordes at the first open house as the prop­erty hit the mar­ket with an ask­ing price of $1.45-million.

One week later, the sell­ers had accepted an offer of $1.65-million.

Dur­ing the inter­ven­ing days, they had also repelled a hand­ful of bully offers and turned down the seven other bid­ders on offi­cial offer night.

It was obvi­ous early on that every­one wanted the prop­erty,” says Mr. Bur­ris of Keller Williams Real Estate Inc.

The red-brick detached house has six bed­rooms and five bath­rooms. Recently ren­o­vated, it has a gas fire­place in the foyer, a large kitchen, and an expanse of glass over­look­ing the deck and backyard.

When the first bul­lies launched their open­ing salvo, Mr. Bur­ris advised his clients to wait until the sched­uled night for review­ing offers. Bul­lies often step up with an eye-popping offer, but with the pro­viso that it’s only good for a short time. They gen­er­ally refuse to par­tic­i­pate in a bid­ding war.

But list­ings for detached houses are so thin that Mr. Bur­ris knew the prospec­tive buy­ers would likely come back to the table.

I was pretty con­fi­dent they would all show up on offer night. There’s still very lit­tle inven­tory on the market.”

This one sale is emblem­atic of the fickle Toronto mar­ket right now – or as agents like Mr. Bur­ris are say­ing more and more – the two Toronto markets.

Com­ment: True enough. I have a lit­tle semi in Hill­crest that peo­ple are lin­ing up to get into. Open house is today, I am afraid of the hordes that will come…

Con­dos are a com­pletely dif­fer­ent mar­ket,” says Mr. Burris.

That seg­ment is awash in “inven­tory” as agents say. Sell­ers are forced to cut their prices or wait a long time for a sale in some cases.

Com­ment: For some, not for all. Any­thing generic is sit­ting, as there are tons of sim­i­lar units avail­able. The larger or unique ones, with a view or in a bou­tique build­ing, they are still mov­ing nicely. The prob­lem is that there are more and more bor­ing lit­tle white boxes, the condo mar­ket is awash in sameness.

Detached houses will gen­er­ally attract mul­ti­ple offers if they are ren­o­vated and located in a prime neigh­bour­hood. Condo and loft units will attract mul­ti­ple offers in many cases if they are in a bou­tique build­ing or supremely well located. They need to stand out from the competition.

The num­bers show how unpre­dictable the mar­ket is now: sales in the Greater Toronto Area remained flat with a dip of about 1% in the first half of April com­pared with the same period last year. That’s not as grim as the double-digit drops recorded in pre­vi­ous months, but it’s not the spring bounce many agents were hop­ing for.

Com­ment: Sales jumped 16% from –17% to –1% and that is not a big bounce? Sure looks like a large increase to me.

Mean­while, the aver­age price rose 4.3% in the first two weeks of April from the same period last year. List­ings rose 16% in the first half of April com­pared with the first half of April, 2012.

Com­ment: After list­ings being down, sell­ers had held back when things looked bad. Less list­ings and fewer sales, now more list­ings and higher sales. Seems sim­ple enough. And bet­ter weather helps for sure. Spring 2012 saw 25 degrees in Feb­ru­ary for Pete’s sake, which really boosted sales. This year it was cold and crappy until almost the end of April. These things make a difference.

The num­bers were buoyed by sales of single-family homes in the sub­urbs, accord­ing to the Toronto Real Estate Board.

In the City of Toronto, sales of detached houses slipped 3.4% com­pared with the first half of April last year. Condo sales in Toronto declined 4.3% year over year for the same period.

Chan­der Chad­dah of Sut­ton Group-Associates Bro­ker­age Inc. spe­cial­izes in the Ron­ces­valles area. He says sales are def­i­nitely down and the mar­ket remains spotty.

He’s advis­ing his clients who want to buy to aim for a house that does not incite a frenzy.

I had to talk clients out of an offer last week.”

The house was listed with an ask­ing price of $849,000 and Mr. Chaddah’s clients thought they might be able to stretch to an offer of $875,000 or so. Mr. Chad­dah checked out the num­ber of bids on the offer date and told his clients not to get their hopes up. “We don’t have a chance,” he advised them.

The house sold for $1.020-million.

Mr. Chad­dah says many buy­ers seem to fall into the trap of bid­ding for a house as soon as they know that other peo­ple want it.

Com­ment: I can­not say that I have ever seen that. But I have seen them try to throw in a low bid “just in case” they get it. The prob­lem is, they won’t. And if there are 20 bids, at least 10 of them are hail mary bids hop­ing beyond hope that it goes for list price or less. It won’t. What that does, though, is push up the seri­ous bids. All you have to go on in a bid­ding war is the num­ber of bids. And gen­er­ally you see the sale price around $5–10,000 per bid over ask­ing. So 10 bids could push an $849,000 house to $900,000 but 20 will eas­ily send it to $1,020,000. The peo­ple who do not want the price to go too high are the very ones push­ing it up. Had they stayed out of it, the house would have sold for $100,000 less than it did. Now, the next house on the street is listed for $899,000 with bids and sells for $1,100,000 and so on… The peo­ple who were never in the run­ning for the house have now pushed the prices even higher. Exactly what they com­plain about. I try to explain this to peo­ple but they just get mad at me. They think it is their right to make an offer… “just in case”…

There’s no ques­tion that there’s this per­verse need for affirmation.”

He says house hunters who hear that sell­ers who find out that they won’t have to join a con­test – either because the sell­ers haven’t set an offer date or because no rivals have shown up – then start to ques­tion their own judgment.

The ques­tion starts to creep in, ‘what am I missing?’”

Lots of good houses are over­looked that way, he says, and he thinks buy­ers often end up pay­ing too much as a result.

I do more talk­ing peo­ple out of houses than I ever do talk­ing peo­ple into houses,” he says.

Usu­ally buy­ers know pretty quickly if a house feels right to them. If it does, he encour­ages them to be grate­ful if other buy­ers are pass­ing it buy.

Com­ment: Exactly. Your gut tells you it is the right place. If you don’t know it the moment you walk in, then it is not for you. You should never have to con­vince your­self or jus­tify it.

If we think it’s a good house, it’s a good house and we don’t need three other peo­ple to con­firm that. Then I’ll tell them, let’s see if we can go in and knock a cou­ple of bucks off the ask­ing price.”

Mr. Chad­dah is wish­ing that many more sell­ers will decide to list soon. Often peo­ple who are think­ing of putting a “for sale” sign on the lawn will wait for spring flow­ers and bud­ding trees.

More prod­uct,” says Mr. Chad­dah. “That’s what I hope happens.”

At the same time, he tells condo sell­ers that they have to be patient.

There’s a ton of prod­uct out there.”

A really slick condo town­house, or a high-rise unit with a really good view will some­times stir up com­pet­ing bid­ders, he says.

He worked with a buyer recently who bought a nicely ren­o­vated condo on Que­bec Avenue in High Park. The ask­ing price was $489,000 and the buyer beat out the other con­tenders with an offer of $511,000.

Even when it goes over list, it’s more mea­sured,” Mr. Chad­dah says of the action.

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Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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Condo contrarians: These guys are still bullish on a down market

Car­olyn Ire­land – The Globe and Mail

Jeanhy Shim is a cham­pion of Toronto’s condo mar­ket.

She grew up in a small house with a back­yard in Rex­dale, but Ms. Shim is rais­ing her four-year-old daugh­ter in a condo in the King West neighbourhood.

Her fam­ily doesn’t have a back­yard, but Ms. Shim is just fine with that.

It’s kind of ironic that peo­ple don’t think con­dos are com­mu­ni­ties. They are just ver­ti­cal communities.”

Despite falling resale condo fig­ures in this city in recent months, Ms. Shim believes that the out­look for con­dos in Toronto remains strong. And to those who think the units com­ing on stream in Toronto are too numer­ous and too tiny, she points out that urban­ites in their 20s and 30s are just happy to occupy a rung on the prop­erty ladder.

Com­ment: Falling for months but then bounc­ing back up again in April.

Get in the head of the peo­ple actu­ally buy­ing,” she tells those who won­der how any­one can live in 500 square feet. The mar­ket ana­lyst and mar­ket­ing maven is feel­ing enough brio to launch a new research firm called Hous­ing Lab. Ms. Shim recently talked about the moti­va­tion of buy­ers dur­ing a talk billed “The Condo-fication of Toronto: The good, the bad and the ugly”, at Uni­ver­sity of Toronto.

Some are young pro­fes­sion­als who find the com­pe­ti­tion in the rental mar­ket – where the vacancy rate is hov­er­ing just above 1% – intense.

The rental market’s on fire,” she says of a mar­ket that inspires bid­ding wars for some units. So, rather than com­pete, these chil­dren of the boomers are buy­ing their own place.

Other buy­ers are investors who plan to rent the units out.

These are not peo­ple who are flip­ping. These investors today have long-term think­ing,” she says. “It has pro­vided de facto new rental stock.”

The “bad” infil­trat­ing the condo mar­ket comes from so-called value engi­neer­ing. Some devel­op­ers are find­ing their costs so expen­sive that they have to be very hard-minded in order to turn a profit.

You’re sit­ting down with a bud­get and have to make hard decisions.”

Other knocks against the mar­ket include some ill-conceived schemes for retail stores at ground level. In some cases, there are not enough peo­ple liv­ing nearby to sup­port the busi­nesses and the space sits empty.

As for the ugly, Ms. Shim points to the NIM­BY­ism of peo­ple who don’t want to see more high-rise tow­ers. She says the “not in my back­yard atti­tude” reflects a fear of condo-fication, but she thinks the den­sity is nec­es­sary and the new con­struc­tion revi­tal­izes older neighbourhoods.

At the res­i­den­tial builder Daniels Corp., vice-president Mar­tin Blake says the com­pany is going ahead with planned launches of new condo projects. Daniels typ­i­cally tar­gets the first-time buyer more than investors. The com­pany also offers rent-to-own schemes.

Unlike many devel­op­ers, Daniels some­times builds first and then sells the units.

It takes away the uncer­tainty of the new condo marketplace.”

In the resale mar­ket, condo sales have been slug­gish since last sum­mer when the fed­eral gov­ern­ment tight­ened the rules sur­round­ing mort­gage lending.

In March, condo sales on the Toronto Real Estate Board’s mul­ti­ple list­ing ser­vice in the 416 area code dropped 19% com­pared with the same month last year to con­tinue the trend of falling year-over-year numbers.

Com­ment: But in April they were only down 1.3%, a rise of almost 18%. New con­dos dried up over the first quar­ter, so resales took on the slack and sold more. Plus there were more list­ings, after months of fewer avail­able units. More for sale, more sales. Easy!

Nicholas Bohr, an agent with ReMax Hall­mark Realty Ltd., agrees with Ms. Shim that the condo lifestyle is so desir­able to some that cer­tain types of build­ings will always be sought after. While many buy­ers in the past con­sid­ered a condo just a path­way to their goal of own­ing a detached house, that’s no longer true in many cases, he adds.

I like to label it as a step­ping stone but for a lot of peo­ple it’s a lifestyle,” he says. “Some peo­ple don’t like to live in a house. They want to live in some­thing new and some­thing sexy and even to change it every cou­ple of years.”

Mr. Bohr says mar­quee condo build­ings by prime builders still remain in high demand. But own­ers who are try­ing to sell a unit in a build­ing where there are many other sim­i­lar units for sale will need to be more patient.

Prices are based on future expec­ta­tions,” says Mr. Bohr. “Some are com­ing down and some builders make condo pur­chases a good invest­ment,” he says.

In the build­ings where there are more com­pet­ing units for sale, real estate agents also need to be more inven­tive, he adds.

Mr. Bohr recently printed up 300 cards and had them deliv­ered to ten­ants in a rental apart­ment build­ing across the street from a condo tower. “Why rent when you can own across the street?” the flyer asks, sug­gest­ing that prospec­tive pur­chasers get in touch with a mort­gage broker.

Mr. Bohr also invites res­i­dents of the entire build­ing to a wine-and-cheese open house before he puts a condo unit on the market.

He hopes that own­ers will tell their friends and fam­ily about the new unit for sale in their build­ing. He can also gar­ner first impres­sions about the stag­ing and price.

It’s a great way to get some buzz. They can give great feed­back,” he says.

Com­ment: No, it is just a mar­ket­ing ploy to get his name out to as many peo­ple as pos­si­ble. Let’s be hon­est here…

Christo­pher Bibby, an agent with Sut­ton Group-Associates Realty Inc., says that buy­ers of resale condo units are being choosy about neigh­bour­hoods and buildings.

Units in build­ings that are not in high demand might take a month to sell – even with a real­is­tic ask­ing price and savvy staging.

But for a sought-after build­ing such as a “hard” loft con­ver­sion, buy­ers are often wait­ing and watch­ing for units to come on the mar­ket. Mr. Bibby recently sold a loft in the pop­u­lar Candy Fac­tory build­ing for an amount above the ask­ing price. Two buy­ers stepped up with offers.

Com­ment: Yeah, and that hap­pened in like a day. A $1.25m unit at One Colum­bus was gone over a week­end last month. The prime ones go fast!

If agents are doing their job, they’ll come the first day and that’s what hap­pened here.”

Mr. Bibby says condo sell­ers need to be very sharp with their ask­ing price.

In another case, Mr. Bibby recently took over a condo list­ing after the prop­erty sat on the mar­ket for half a year.

I think they had three show­ings in six months.”

Mr. Bibby rec­om­mended that the seller lower the ask­ing price to $615,000 from $665,000. At the lower ask­ing price, the unit was cheaper than those with sim­i­lar lay­outs for sale in the same building.

We’ve had more show­ings now than they had in six months,” he says. “People’s expec­ta­tions have to change.”

Com­ment: But it still has not sold. Not good. I fig­ured it had high fees, but it does not. It is a new unit on a high floor in a pop­u­lar build­ing. Nice look­ing condo, fan­tas­tic view. Not sure why it is not sell­ing. Chris knows his stuff, I expect he will sell it soon enough.

Mr. Bibby says it’s tough to sell a unit when lots of com­pet­ing prop­er­ties are listed in the same build­ing. Some sell­ers point to sales in neigh­bour­ing build­ings and want the same kind of ask­ing price if their unit mea­sures a sim­i­lar num­ber of square feet. But Mr. Bibby says the build­ing across the street may offer a panoramic view, for exam­ple, while another over­looks a park­ing lot.

You can’t just gen­er­al­ize,” he says. “Every build­ing is com­pletely different.”

Com­ment: Amen brother!

That kind of com­pe­ti­tion makes stag­ing even more impor­tant than usual “You have to be hands-on. Get the place look­ing as open and airy as possible.”

Mr. Bibby says he sees a move­ment toward low-rise and mid-rise build­ings in estab­lished neighbourhoods.

These are the build­ings that are doing excep­tion­ally well. Peo­ple are lit­er­ally wait­ing,” he says. “The bulk of the inven­tory is right down­town but a lot of the demand is in smaller bou­tique conversions.”

In Ron­ces­valles Vil­lage and Leslieville, for exam­ple, loft con­ver­sions sell almost instantly.

There are so few of them in com­mu­ni­ties with a farmer’s mar­ket next door and smaller cof­fee shops,” he says. “Even if they work in the finan­cial dis­trict, peo­ple want to live in a lit­tle bit of a tran­quil set­ting and not in the mid­dle of an intersection.”

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Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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  • Small scale, big appeal

    With a chang­ing mar­ket, there’s demand for well-designed midrise and lowrise projects in beloved neighbourhoods

    Globe and Mail

    Some inter­est­ing trends are emerg­ing as the Greater Toronto Area real estate mar­ket tran­si­tions from years of red-hot sales fuelled largely by the high­rise condo boom.

    Paul John­ston of Right at Home Realty Inc., who spe­cial­izes in unique urban homes, says the mar­ket “is com­ing back to earth” and rather by being dom­i­nated by investors, it is being dri­ven by “real peo­ple who buy real homes.”

    This could spawn the devel­op­ment of more midrise and lowrise projects in the city, which will always res­onate with buy­ers, he believes. “There is a move towards much smaller-scaled projects and by that, I don’t mean 205-square-foot suites in a high­rise. I’m talk­ing about five, six or seven storey midrise build­ings and three-storey town­houses, which are much more humanly scaled. Demand is strong, strong, strong and it remains a very good mar­ket but gets mud­dled in with the high­rise market.”

    He says while the real estate mar­ket has been guided by con­sumer con­fi­dence “and that con­fi­dence has been mis­tak­enly eroded by the cor­rec­tion in the high­rise mar­ket,” it hasn’t had a salient effect on sin­gle fam­ily hous­ing or the mar­ket for midrise build­ings designed specif­i­cally for non-investors.

    Mr. John­ston pre­dicts a greater num­ber of these smaller projects will be com­ing to some of the city’s best loved neighbourhoods.

    Lit­tle Italy, Trin­ity Bell­woods and Oss­ing­ton are already estab­lished neigh­bour­hoods and a grow­ing num­ber of devel­op­ers are try­ing to gauge how to recal­i­brate their busi­ness to attract buy­ers who want more mod­estly scaled build­ings,” says Mr. John­ston. “A grow­ing num­ber of peo­ple in the city want to live in iconic build­ings and we can cre­ate small icons. There is an oppor­tu­nity to insert more mod­estly scaled build­ings that are pre­cious gems, into the neigh­bour­hoods we really love.”

    While some buy­ers do appre­ci­ate the con­ve­niences of the condo lifestyle, they don’t nec­es­sar­ily want to live in a tower, he says.

    No one wants to be on third floor of a 90 storey build­ing, but they do want to be on the third floor of a six-storey build­ing,” he says, adding that Toronto is finally respond­ing to that seg­ment of the mar­ket that wants to live in well-designed, smaller scaled devel­op­ments in neigh­bour­hoods out­side the city core, which is dom­i­nated by highrises.

    Com­ment: Bravo! This is where I want to get into the devel­op­ment game. Micro con­dos, mark my words…

    He says many peo­ple want to live in build­ings with 40 or 80 res­i­dents, where the set­ting is more inti­mate and they can get to know their neigh­bours. He says these small build­ings don’t have elab­o­rate ameni­ties such as gyms and pools like large high­rise projects do, but that’s fine with buyers.

    When you put in a small-scale build­ing, you are in an already vibrant neigh­bour­hood, so why put in all that stuff?” asks Mr. John­ston, point­ing out that another advan­tage is that condo fees are much less expen­sive in small build­ings with­out a large ros­ter of amenities.

    He cites the Oss­ing­ton neigh­bour­hood as an up-and-coming area for mod­estly scaled condo or loft projects. One exam­ple is 109 Oz, a six-storey condo in the heart of Oss­ing­ton Vil­lage set in an area of estab­lished restau­rants, shops and hard­ware stores.

    Around the cor­ner you have Aba­cus, which is even more mod­est with 40 lofts, but the build­ing is archi­tec­turally very dis­tinc­tive,” Mr. John­ston says. “This is a place where you can find some­thing to do at 2 in the after­noon or at midnight.”

    He says prices for sin­gle homes are ris­ing in the Oss­ing­ton neigh­bour­hood, cit­ing a recent $1.25 mil­lion sale, “and if you want to live in that neigh­bour­hood, sin­gle fam­ily houses may be out of reach finan­cially, but maybe a mod­estly scaled condo or loft build­ing will fit the bill.”

    Despite the gen­eral lack­lus­tre per­for­mance of the mar­ket, Mr. John­ston knows one thing to be true.

    There is a huge appetite for great prop­er­ties in great neigh­bour­hoods,” he says.

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    Con­tact the Jef­frey Team for more infor­ma­tion – 416−388−1960

    Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
    They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
    who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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