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You want that dream home? Why you’ll have to join the line in this thin housing market
Carolyn Ireland – The Globe and Mail
Toronto real estate agent Monte Burris looked out the front window of a Sunnyside Avenue house recently and saw a small crowd lined up on the sidewalk. That was 45 minutes before he was scheduled to receive the hordes at the first open house as the property hit the market with an asking price of $1.45-million.
One week later, the sellers had accepted an offer of $1.65-million.
During the intervening days, they had also repelled a handful of bully offers and turned down the seven other bidders on official offer night.
“It was obvious early on that everyone wanted the property,” says Mr. Burris of Keller Williams Real Estate Inc.
The red-brick detached house has six bedrooms and five bathrooms. Recently renovated, it has a gas fireplace in the foyer, a large kitchen, and an expanse of glass overlooking the deck and backyard.
When the first bullies launched their opening salvo, Mr. Burris advised his clients to wait until the scheduled night for reviewing offers. Bullies often step up with an eye-popping offer, but with the proviso that it’s only good for a short time. They generally refuse to participate in a bidding war.
But listings for detached houses are so thin that Mr. Burris knew the prospective buyers would likely come back to the table.
“I was pretty confident they would all show up on offer night. There’s still very little inventory on the market.”
This one sale is emblematic of the fickle Toronto market right now – or as agents like Mr. Burris are saying more and more – the two Toronto markets.
Comment: True enough. I have a little semi in Hillcrest that people are lining up to get into. Open house is today, I am afraid of the hordes that will come…
“Condos are a completely different market,” says Mr. Burris.
That segment is awash in “inventory” as agents say. Sellers are forced to cut their prices or wait a long time for a sale in some cases.
Comment: For some, not for all. Anything generic is sitting, as there are tons of similar units available. The larger or unique ones, with a view or in a boutique building, they are still moving nicely. The problem is that there are more and more boring little white boxes, the condo market is awash in sameness.
Detached houses will generally attract multiple offers if they are renovated and located in a prime neighbourhood. Condo and loft units will attract multiple offers in many cases if they are in a boutique building or supremely well located. They need to stand out from the competition.
The numbers show how unpredictable the market is now: sales in the Greater Toronto Area remained flat with a dip of about 1% in the first half of April compared with the same period last year. That’s not as grim as the double-digit drops recorded in previous months, but it’s not the spring bounce many agents were hoping for.
Comment: Sales jumped 16% from –17% to –1% and that is not a big bounce? Sure looks like a large increase to me.
Meanwhile, the average price rose 4.3% in the first two weeks of April from the same period last year. Listings rose 16% in the first half of April compared with the first half of April, 2012.
Comment: After listings being down, sellers had held back when things looked bad. Less listings and fewer sales, now more listings and higher sales. Seems simple enough. And better weather helps for sure. Spring 2012 saw 25 degrees in February for Pete’s sake, which really boosted sales. This year it was cold and crappy until almost the end of April. These things make a difference.
The numbers were buoyed by sales of single-family homes in the suburbs, according to the Toronto Real Estate Board.
In the City of Toronto, sales of detached houses slipped 3.4% compared with the first half of April last year. Condo sales in Toronto declined 4.3% year over year for the same period.
Chander Chaddah of Sutton Group-Associates Brokerage Inc. specializes in the Roncesvalles area. He says sales are definitely down and the market remains spotty.
He’s advising his clients who want to buy to aim for a house that does not incite a frenzy.
“I had to talk clients out of an offer last week.”
The house was listed with an asking price of $849,000 and Mr. Chaddah’s clients thought they might be able to stretch to an offer of $875,000 or so. Mr. Chaddah checked out the number of bids on the offer date and told his clients not to get their hopes up. “We don’t have a chance,” he advised them.
The house sold for $1.020-million.
Mr. Chaddah says many buyers seem to fall into the trap of bidding for a house as soon as they know that other people want it.
Comment: I cannot say that I have ever seen that. But I have seen them try to throw in a low bid “just in case” they get it. The problem is, they won’t. And if there are 20 bids, at least 10 of them are hail mary bids hoping beyond hope that it goes for list price or less. It won’t. What that does, though, is push up the serious bids. All you have to go on in a bidding war is the number of bids. And generally you see the sale price around $5–10,000 per bid over asking. So 10 bids could push an $849,000 house to $900,000 but 20 will easily send it to $1,020,000. The people who do not want the price to go too high are the very ones pushing it up. Had they stayed out of it, the house would have sold for $100,000 less than it did. Now, the next house on the street is listed for $899,000 with bids and sells for $1,100,000 and so on… The people who were never in the running for the house have now pushed the prices even higher. Exactly what they complain about. I try to explain this to people but they just get mad at me. They think it is their right to make an offer… “just in case”…
“There’s no question that there’s this perverse need for affirmation.”
He says house hunters who hear that sellers who find out that they won’t have to join a contest – either because the sellers haven’t set an offer date or because no rivals have shown up – then start to question their own judgment.
“The question starts to creep in, ‘what am I missing?’”
Lots of good houses are overlooked that way, he says, and he thinks buyers often end up paying too much as a result.
“I do more talking people out of houses than I ever do talking people into houses,” he says.
Usually buyers know pretty quickly if a house feels right to them. If it does, he encourages them to be grateful if other buyers are passing it buy.
Comment: Exactly. Your gut tells you it is the right place. If you don’t know it the moment you walk in, then it is not for you. You should never have to convince yourself or justify it.
“If we think it’s a good house, it’s a good house and we don’t need three other people to confirm that. Then I’ll tell them, let’s see if we can go in and knock a couple of bucks off the asking price.”
Mr. Chaddah is wishing that many more sellers will decide to list soon. Often people who are thinking of putting a “for sale” sign on the lawn will wait for spring flowers and budding trees.
“More product,” says Mr. Chaddah. “That’s what I hope happens.”
At the same time, he tells condo sellers that they have to be patient.
“There’s a ton of product out there.”
A really slick condo townhouse, or a high-rise unit with a really good view will sometimes stir up competing bidders, he says.
He worked with a buyer recently who bought a nicely renovated condo on Quebec Avenue in High Park. The asking price was $489,000 and the buyer beat out the other contenders with an offer of $511,000.
“Even when it goes over list, it’s more measured,” Mr. Chaddah says of the action.
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Toronto real estate: Downtown condos lead broad rise in prices
Susan Pigg – Toronto Star
Sales of homes across the GTA slipped by 2.1% in April, but prices were up 2%, as the usually hot spring market suffered through another wet, cold month.
Surprisingly, downtown condos saw the biggest spike in prices — up 5.6% to an average of $379,266 — and a decline in sales of just 1.3% over last April, according to statistics released Friday by the Toronto Real Estate Board.
Suburban condo sales were the flip side of the coin, however, in a market that continues to glide to a soft landing rather than the devastating crash many economics and housing experts had predicted just last fall.
Comment: I guess it goes to show that the economists were simply wrong. Housing experts did not predict a crash, only the economists. Those in the real estate industry predicted a slower INCREASE in sales and prices. As I keep saying, why does anyone believe or trust the economists anymore, they have been wrong for 10+ years now.
Resale condo prices were down almost 6% across the 905 regions, to an average of $273,832. Sales of suburban condos took the biggest hit of any housing sector across the GTA in April — next to sales of detached homes in the 416 region — dropping 7.3% in April.
“The condominium apartment segment in the City of Toronto was a key driver of price growth in April,” which suggests that first-time buyers are out house hunting again, almost a year after Ottawa moved to tighten mortgage lending rules, said TREB president Ann Hannah in a statement.
Comment: That and condo listings rose while new projects stalled. Easy to see what pushed resale condo sales up.
Economist Will Dunning points out, however, that this April had 22 weekdays — when sales tend to be recorded by TREB — compared to 20 in 2012. When sales figures are adjusted for seasonal fluctuations, the sales downturn of 2% reported by TREB is probably closer to 14%, he noted.
Comment: Forget the stupid extra day / fewer days BS, that is stupid. Not until this year did we split hairs that fine. April is April, can we please just leave it like that. And that is just trying to make a good news number look bad by conducting some voodoo math on it. I am sure I could pick a bunch of other months over the past year or two and do the same false adjusting and arrive at numbers that look better than they should. But how do 10% extra days turn into 700% worse sales? That is some really interesting math!
Most interesting about the condo numbers, said Dunning, is that the total number of units for sale in the 416 region was up 8%, helping keep the market stable, while there was a 16% jump in the 905 regions, now a buyer’s market.
Comment: Amazing, listings were up 8% and sales rose 5.6% – not that there is a connection there or anything…
“There’s still not a lot of urgency in the marketplace,” said downtown realtor Andrew la Fleur, who focuses largely on the downtown condo market. “There’s still a lot of wait-and-see mindset.”
Comment: And sellers are not blinking.
Detached homes took the biggest hit in April. Sales in the City of Toronto plummeted almost 12% over last April, although prices were up 2.5% to an average of $852,090, according to TREB’s figures. That may reflect, at least in part, the lack of enough detached homes on the market to meet demand, which has been an ongoing issue, especially in Toronto, for three or four years and has contributed to bidding wars — and escalating prices even in a softening market — in coveted neighbourhoods close to downtown jobs and transit lines.
Sales of detached homes in the 905 were up 2.5% year over year, and prices were up 2.2% to an average of $588,784, according to TREB.
Semi-detached homes in the 416 region saw a 5.5% sales downturn in April, year over year, but prices were up 2.4% to an average of $595,398. In the suburbs, the sale of semis were up 1.3% and prices up 4.3%, to an average sale price of $410,739.
Townhouse sales declined 3.6% in the city, but the average sales price was $433,710, up 2.3% over last April. In the 905 region, townhouse transactions declined by 1.2%, although prices were up 3.5%, to an average sales price of $375,269.
Despite an unrelenting winter that lingered through most of April, dampening the enthusiasm of both buyers and sellers, some of whom were holding out for their pricey landscaping to be in bloom, new listings were up almost 11% year over year.
Comment: I bet we see a postive May, finally some nice weather!
The time it takes to sell a house climbed slightly, to 23 days compared to 21 days in April of 2012. Condos, on the other hand, are averaging 32 days on the market.
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Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
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The 2013 Toronto Area Condo Market
Keep Calm and Carry On
Zoe Ackah – Epoch Times
Not everyone we interviewed agrees totally, but what we can say is there’s no need for panic. Toronto has a housing shortage, and condos are a great way to buy an affordable place to live. They are the main source of new rental housing. There is a healthy mix of investors, end users, and tenants.
Comment: Amen! Thank you for a rational viewpoint, one informed by the information and not just negative hyperbole.
Sorry, there is very little chance of significant price decline, but we suggest you think of the GTA as a group of independent sub-markets. What is true for Markham may not be true for Etobicoke, so do your homework before you buy or sell.
Looking back a decade, you’ll see a year that is shaping up to look rather like 2006 – very average.
A greater variety of unit sizes and configurations can be expected in the next decade.
Prepare to engage in increasingly serious conversation around infrastructure building, transit funding, and use of section 37 funds.
All in all, the adjustment to Places to Grow legislation, increased immigration to the GTA, and the price of gas are pushing our city toward maturity. It’s time to effectively plan and thoughtfully build a city that has sufficient transit, community facilities, and housing options for everyone.
BILD President talks low-rise, transit, and development charges
Coming down from the feverish high-rise explosion of 2011–2012, Building Industry and Land Development Association (BILD) president Bryan Tuckey feels the future requires rethinking some planning habits.
Is there a future for tiny units in giant towers, ultra-costly transit options, and huge development charges passed on to consumers?
Welcome back the walk-up
As we begin to explore the space between rugged, single family individuality and mega-tower enforced collectivity, Tuckey is putting forth a modest suggestion – six-storey wood-frame construction.
“It’s much more flexible,” says Tuckey. Not to mention less expensive to build. Here is where Tuckey thinks families will find the larger and more affordable units they need.
Today in Toronto you can build a maximum of four floors framed with wood. Allowing for six is not just less costly to build, but also less costly to the environment.
Traditional cement releases lots of CO2. Tuckey says wood is actually “much more sustainable from a carbon sequester perspective.”
So what does that mean for you? Get ready to take the stairs to your sixth floor pad, and the bus to work.
Bus shelter
At the recent BILD High-Rise Forum, there was a lot of transit-related frustration. It’s something all Torontonians share.
Though developers working on the waterfront are still waiting for their light rapid transit, Tuckey is actually rather bullish on bus rapid transit.
“I think buses are really undervalued in how much they can move and how flexible they are. There’s potential for buses.”
Having worked extensively on the Sheppard subway, he feels we need to be asking what we can afford plenty of, because we can all agree solutions are needed fast.
Megacity-mortgage
Most people agree the city would be better served if there were increased cooperation between local residents, municipal politicians, and builders.
These conversations (after we collectively grieve federal and provincial transit funding shortfalls) will revolve around what is done with—and what we should do about—the enormous development charges collected on new housing in the GTA.
“You have to have an adult conversation around all these things,” say Tuckey. “You’re asking the new homeowner to pay for infrastructure that lasts for 70 to 100 years, and pay for that infrastructure on their mortgage. Is that fair when municipal governments can get that money for percentages less?”
Not to mention how these fees impact the price of housing. There is no doubt we need them, but how can we keep them in the communities that paid for them in the first place?
“They can’t capture a lot of the revenue they generate,” say Tuckey. “Much of the dollars from Toronto and the GTA don’t stay here in service or infrastructure.”
Small price decline for GTA real estate market
Marc Pinsonneault, a senior economist from the economic and strategy team of the National Bank, feels the GTA real estate market will see a modest decline in prices through 2013.
“I think that prices are going to decline somewhat for 2013 as a whole. For the Toronto market we expect a decline of 2.5%.
Comment: And what will drive this decline? Low interest rates? Shrinking supply? Increased demand? Prices will rise around 3–4% in 2013, all the major real estate players agree. Economists have NEVER been right about the real estate industry, not for 10 years. NOT ONCE.
“Overall the price decline in the GTA will be lower than the national average,” he explains.
Comment: The national average price is unlikely to decline either, even with Vancouver sinking like a stone. Again, no major real estate player thinks so, and they have been right EVERY year. While economists, again, have been WRONG EVERY YEAR.
Highrise will feel it most
Pinsonneault feels highrise prices will decline most, and notes the large amount of product currently on the market for sale.
Statistics for March provided by RealNet indicate that of all 445 active projects, 80% of the units are sold, with 229 currently under construction being 89%, and 144 in pre-construction already 56% sold.
Comment: Take note of that. Read it again. When you see a crane, that means almost 90% of the units are sold. They are not all flooding the market once the building is built. They are sold before they are even built.
“Even if the pre-sale rate is quite good, the number of projects that have been launched and the number of units it implies is so large that the number of unsold new condos is still quite large,” Pinsonneault says.
Comment: But the 10% inventory figure is right in line with the long term average, so where is the concern? Urbanation and those who track condos for a living see no problems.
He feels having inventory is less of a problem when a building is not in the middle of construction.
He thinks developers will hold back on building until the market absorbs some of the units and the price begins to rise.
Comment: They might. But without knowing for sure that some have held back, and talking to each and every one of them, this is all just pure speculation and completely meaningless. Projects could be on old due to the planning department, size changes, permits, trades, supplies, you name it. Just because a project is delayed does not mean that builders are holding back to prevent flooding the market.
As of the end of February, the CMHC recorded 1,026 completed but unsold condo units in the GTA. The number of unbuilt units on the market may increase in the months to follow.
Comment: So a thousand unsold condos is the crisis? Really?
Want to know when prices will begin to rise? Pinsonneault suggests we take a close look at the number of units currently on the market. He thinks prices will begin to rise again when the number of units available begins to drop.
Comment: Which is now. April is seeing more sales and less inventory – and higher prices. Natch.
“Simply let the price adjust for a few quarters,” he says. “Probably houses or condos will become more affordable after the correction. We don’t see sales recovering in 2013, that’s for sure.”
Comment: Correction? What correction? Oh right, the one economists have been predicting for 10 years… the one that has never happened.
Happy mediums for GTA
“We’ve been building and designing a generation of small units. It’s fine that these work now, but in 10 or 20 years, how is urban living going to evolve?” asks Mimi Ng, Menkes residential sales & marketing vice-president.
As Places to Grow pushes development vertical, the question becomes creating something for everyone.
“There’s a growing number of move-up buyers, second and third-time condo buyers who don’t want the work of a house, but need something bigger,” says Ng. “We’re starting to see it already.”
Comment: And this is what is creating the pressure on houses. There are not enough bigger condos, or affordable larger condos, for move-up buyers. And since no new houses are being built, all of these condos buyers create an ever bigger demand for a static supply of homes.
Ng predicts more townhouses in the 416. The tall towers and mega projects near transit were conceived of five to seven years ago and are what developers are just delivering now.
Percolating in the collective builder consciousness today, and slated for delivery in the next decade, are projects decidedly more moderate in scope.
“Mid-rise and medium density is going to be a growing wave in the future,” Ng says. But think rooftop terrace, not small back yard.
Tall orders
That’s not to say we won’t see any more “sexy towers.” There will always be a market for big, glamorous projects in the downtown core.
“As a city, Toronto is still fairly underdeveloped. We have all these huge pockets of the core that are not developed,” says Ng.
She sees Toronto’s development as long overdue, but expects a few growing pains.
There is a growing disconnect between what Torontonians need and what the city can offer.
“We are being hindered by a lack of infrastructure. Lower ranked cities have better infrastructure. What major city in the world has no transit funding, yet this city is the engine of Canada?” asks Ng.
She also feels the pace of development has outstripped the pace of community services downtown. Though transit may be serving an area and there may be bars and restaurants, new communities lack parks, community centres, after school programs, and other family oriented services you would expect in a suburban environment.
“There is a bit of a mismatch that over time will balance out. The population is already demanding it.”
Flexible proportions required for Canada’s kitchen
Toronto is the first stop for many new Canadians when they decided to settle here. The first thing they do while waiting for resident status is rent an apartment in Toronto.
The CMHC says 22.3% of condo units are rental units. Its final 2012 report noted that condos were “virtually the only source of new rental supply in the GTA.”
Comment: Which is the main driver of the investment condo market. Investors do not buy them to flip them, they buy them to rent them out and hold them for years. With vacancy rates under 1%, tenants are living up for rentals. Some have bidding wars. Investors are thrilled to buy condos knowing that they get their pick of qualified tenants.
The GTA vacancy rate rose slightly to 1.7%, but the CMHC is predicting the number will shrink to 1.5% over the next year.
Comment: I was told under 1% last month. Even if it is 1.7%, that is still VERY low.
Condominium vacancy rates held steady at 1.2%, and the CMHC noted that demand for these units matched supply.
“It’s a hot rental market,” says Kwok Anson Kwok, VP of sales and marketing for Pinnacle International.
“People say there are tons of cranes, but it’s like turning on a bunch of ovens. You don’t know what people are baking.”
Though there appears to be many units on the market, they will all be completed at different times.
Comment: And they are bought and paid for, they are not all going to be put up for sale, as so many people think. Even with 28,000 completions this year, at least 90% are sold Of the remaining 10%, the builder will keep some and rent some, so they won’t all be listed. Nor will they all go on MLS. Even so, what is another 2,500 condos in a market that sees over 85,000 sales a year?
Landlord-lite
Who are these “investor-landlords?” According to Kwok, today’s buyers are surprisingly diverse, and the line between investor and end user is very, very blurry.
Some are older people who purchase three units, one to live in and two to rent out for retirement income; parents buying for their student children who will rent or sell the unit when their adult child marries; or families buying in the same building to stay close to each other, but will rent out units as circumstances change.
Kwok feels that unit size and layout need to be as flexible as possible so buyers have multiple options.
“A lot can happen in a couple of years, so thinking about potential life changes is key.”
Comment: Which is why you see many condos for sale right after a building is completed. People bought these up to 5 years before, lots of things in your life can change in that period of time.
For Kwok, a one plus den in the 575–700 sq. ft. range or junior two-bedrooms in the 880 sq. ft. range provide optimum flexibility.
They are “small enough so I can sell it or rent it out, but it’s big enough so I could live in it.”
Flat until further notice
President of Cityzen Development Group, Sam Crignano, is surprisingly relaxed considering all the doom and gloom being batted around about the GTA condo market. He’s a guy who’s been through a cycle or two.
Comment: Because the doom and gloom is just words. It is not reality. It has no basis in reality. It is just the negative spin of the media and some professional spoil sports. Who cares, the data and information out there contradicts their every word. As I point out as much as I can!
“I believe the market will remain flat for the first half of the year and we’ll begin to see some signs of life in the summer with a bettering in the fall.”
Comment: Bingo! Maybe even sooner. The first half of April was 180 degrees from what we saw in Q1 this year.
Any average year will pale when compared to 2011/early 2012′s fever pitch. This year is shaping up to be rather average, and maybe that’s a good thing.
Comment: Which is what everyone seems to forget. The past couple of years were off the charts, record-setting, just plain crazy. So now a drop to the still-very-high 5–10 year trend is not a sign of impending collapse. It is a return to the high side of normal. Which is still fair above what we had seen before a few years ago.
“The market now is taking a healthy pause,” says Crignano. “We didn’t see any wild fluctuations on the cost side or on the sales side. I don’t think there’s going to be much downward movement.”
Comment: You said it!
As supply and demand balance out, but if you’re waiting for a large price correction, well…
Comment: … you are going to be waiting a long time.
“The rental market continues to be tight. That signals a tentative buyer that’s on the sidelines waiting to see what happens. I don’t think much is going to happen.”
Sam’s top 3 tips:
1. Looking for a deal? When you’re ready to move, the sales office is not the only place you can buy new. “Look for a unit purchased by an investor,” he says. They sell before occupancy because they bought low early on. This gives investors flexibility on the price, so bargain.
Comment: Hah! Like any investor is going to just give you a deal and lose money… But buy before registration, prices generally rise 10% after the condo registers. Assignments can be a good deal. Look for those who NEED out, they are motivated. Investors are not motivated, they can keep the unit and rent it out.
2. Be first, if you can wait. “The first purchasers who visit the sales office are usually the ones who get a better deal. Try and get in there early on with an agent.”
Comment: But you have to be one of the first people through the door. A week later, you are too late.
3. Don’t choose building over neighbourhood. Shop neighbourhood first, and consider what you will be surrounded by in five years when you finally take occupancy.
Sunny outlook long-term
“The industry might have taken a bit of a break to re-evaluate, but I think everybody is optimistic about summer and fall,” says Brian Brown, vice-president of Lifetime Developments.
His optimism is shared by many real estate brokers he works with, he says.
Comment: Yes, those of us who work in the industry and know what we are talking about. I really don’t care about the others, this is not what they do for a living.
“I know there’s been some concerns, but a lot of developers are feeling more comfortable these days. Even in talking to the city, it’s not as if the number of re-zoning applications they receive has slowed down.”
Brown does note that buyers are becoming more selective. “It just goes to show if you have the right site at the right price it will do very well.”
Will there be some deals to be had? “Some of the developers are being a little more creative with incentives and packages,” Brown says, but overall he doesn’t see huge discounts happening anywhere downtown.
Brian’s top 3 tips:
1. Choose a reputable builder. Be sure to visit the developer’s previous projects. Ask your broker to see the project’s financial information. Financing problems could mean the building may not achieve the build quality you were promised.
Comment: No one is going to show you their financial information, that is just stupid.
2. Don’t buy purely on price. The location is most important. Who will be your neighbour in five years? Is there existing transit, retail, and schools?
Comment: Amen. Price should be the last thing you consider. Look at the neighbourhood, builder, building, view, units, size, etc. Then think about price if everything else checks out.
3. Deals on the last few units. Some developers sell until they reach the amount of sales at which they can get construction financing, then pull the remaining product off the market, selling the last units at a premium price after the building is complete. Other builders prefer to sell their entire inventory, shortening the sales process (it costs money, too). The final few suites may be priced very well, or offered with extra incentives. These units aren’t “left-overs.” You may just find what you’re looking for.
Comment: No, the last ones are the ones that no one else wanted. And likely you will not want either. Builders will hold a unit for years instead of cutting the price $5,000. Trust me, there are NO deals with builders.
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416−388−1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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