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You want that dream home? Why you’ll have to join the line in this thin housing market

Car­olyn Ire­land – The Globe and Mail

Toronto real estate agent Monte Bur­ris looked out the front win­dow of a Sun­ny­side Avenue house recently and saw a small crowd lined up on the side­walk. That was 45 min­utes before he was sched­uled to receive the hordes at the first open house as the prop­erty hit the mar­ket with an ask­ing price of $1.45-million.

One week later, the sell­ers had accepted an offer of $1.65-million.

Dur­ing the inter­ven­ing days, they had also repelled a hand­ful of bully offers and turned down the seven other bid­ders on offi­cial offer night.

It was obvi­ous early on that every­one wanted the prop­erty,” says Mr. Bur­ris of Keller Williams Real Estate Inc.

The red-brick detached house has six bed­rooms and five bath­rooms. Recently ren­o­vated, it has a gas fire­place in the foyer, a large kitchen, and an expanse of glass over­look­ing the deck and backyard.

When the first bul­lies launched their open­ing salvo, Mr. Bur­ris advised his clients to wait until the sched­uled night for review­ing offers. Bul­lies often step up with an eye-popping offer, but with the pro­viso that it’s only good for a short time. They gen­er­ally refuse to par­tic­i­pate in a bid­ding war.

But list­ings for detached houses are so thin that Mr. Bur­ris knew the prospec­tive buy­ers would likely come back to the table.

I was pretty con­fi­dent they would all show up on offer night. There’s still very lit­tle inven­tory on the market.”

This one sale is emblem­atic of the fickle Toronto mar­ket right now – or as agents like Mr. Bur­ris are say­ing more and more – the two Toronto markets.

Com­ment: True enough. I have a lit­tle semi in Hill­crest that peo­ple are lin­ing up to get into. Open house is today, I am afraid of the hordes that will come…

Con­dos are a com­pletely dif­fer­ent mar­ket,” says Mr. Burris.

That seg­ment is awash in “inven­tory” as agents say. Sell­ers are forced to cut their prices or wait a long time for a sale in some cases.

Com­ment: For some, not for all. Any­thing generic is sit­ting, as there are tons of sim­i­lar units avail­able. The larger or unique ones, with a view or in a bou­tique build­ing, they are still mov­ing nicely. The prob­lem is that there are more and more bor­ing lit­tle white boxes, the condo mar­ket is awash in sameness.

Detached houses will gen­er­ally attract mul­ti­ple offers if they are ren­o­vated and located in a prime neigh­bour­hood. Condo and loft units will attract mul­ti­ple offers in many cases if they are in a bou­tique build­ing or supremely well located. They need to stand out from the competition.

The num­bers show how unpre­dictable the mar­ket is now: sales in the Greater Toronto Area remained flat with a dip of about 1% in the first half of April com­pared with the same period last year. That’s not as grim as the double-digit drops recorded in pre­vi­ous months, but it’s not the spring bounce many agents were hop­ing for.

Com­ment: Sales jumped 16% from –17% to –1% and that is not a big bounce? Sure looks like a large increase to me.

Mean­while, the aver­age price rose 4.3% in the first two weeks of April from the same period last year. List­ings rose 16% in the first half of April com­pared with the first half of April, 2012.

Com­ment: After list­ings being down, sell­ers had held back when things looked bad. Less list­ings and fewer sales, now more list­ings and higher sales. Seems sim­ple enough. And bet­ter weather helps for sure. Spring 2012 saw 25 degrees in Feb­ru­ary for Pete’s sake, which really boosted sales. This year it was cold and crappy until almost the end of April. These things make a difference.

The num­bers were buoyed by sales of single-family homes in the sub­urbs, accord­ing to the Toronto Real Estate Board.

In the City of Toronto, sales of detached houses slipped 3.4% com­pared with the first half of April last year. Condo sales in Toronto declined 4.3% year over year for the same period.

Chan­der Chad­dah of Sut­ton Group-Associates Bro­ker­age Inc. spe­cial­izes in the Ron­ces­valles area. He says sales are def­i­nitely down and the mar­ket remains spotty.

He’s advis­ing his clients who want to buy to aim for a house that does not incite a frenzy.

I had to talk clients out of an offer last week.”

The house was listed with an ask­ing price of $849,000 and Mr. Chaddah’s clients thought they might be able to stretch to an offer of $875,000 or so. Mr. Chad­dah checked out the num­ber of bids on the offer date and told his clients not to get their hopes up. “We don’t have a chance,” he advised them.

The house sold for $1.020-million.

Mr. Chad­dah says many buy­ers seem to fall into the trap of bid­ding for a house as soon as they know that other peo­ple want it.

Com­ment: I can­not say that I have ever seen that. But I have seen them try to throw in a low bid “just in case” they get it. The prob­lem is, they won’t. And if there are 20 bids, at least 10 of them are hail mary bids hop­ing beyond hope that it goes for list price or less. It won’t. What that does, though, is push up the seri­ous bids. All you have to go on in a bid­ding war is the num­ber of bids. And gen­er­ally you see the sale price around $5–10,000 per bid over ask­ing. So 10 bids could push an $849,000 house to $900,000 but 20 will eas­ily send it to $1,020,000. The peo­ple who do not want the price to go too high are the very ones push­ing it up. Had they stayed out of it, the house would have sold for $100,000 less than it did. Now, the next house on the street is listed for $899,000 with bids and sells for $1,100,000 and so on… The peo­ple who were never in the run­ning for the house have now pushed the prices even higher. Exactly what they com­plain about. I try to explain this to peo­ple but they just get mad at me. They think it is their right to make an offer… “just in case”…

There’s no ques­tion that there’s this per­verse need for affirmation.”

He says house hunters who hear that sell­ers who find out that they won’t have to join a con­test – either because the sell­ers haven’t set an offer date or because no rivals have shown up – then start to ques­tion their own judgment.

The ques­tion starts to creep in, ‘what am I missing?’”

Lots of good houses are over­looked that way, he says, and he thinks buy­ers often end up pay­ing too much as a result.

I do more talk­ing peo­ple out of houses than I ever do talk­ing peo­ple into houses,” he says.

Usu­ally buy­ers know pretty quickly if a house feels right to them. If it does, he encour­ages them to be grate­ful if other buy­ers are pass­ing it buy.

Com­ment: Exactly. Your gut tells you it is the right place. If you don’t know it the moment you walk in, then it is not for you. You should never have to con­vince your­self or jus­tify it.

If we think it’s a good house, it’s a good house and we don’t need three other peo­ple to con­firm that. Then I’ll tell them, let’s see if we can go in and knock a cou­ple of bucks off the ask­ing price.”

Mr. Chad­dah is wish­ing that many more sell­ers will decide to list soon. Often peo­ple who are think­ing of putting a “for sale” sign on the lawn will wait for spring flow­ers and bud­ding trees.

More prod­uct,” says Mr. Chad­dah. “That’s what I hope happens.”

At the same time, he tells condo sell­ers that they have to be patient.

There’s a ton of prod­uct out there.”

A really slick condo town­house, or a high-rise unit with a really good view will some­times stir up com­pet­ing bid­ders, he says.

He worked with a buyer recently who bought a nicely ren­o­vated condo on Que­bec Avenue in High Park. The ask­ing price was $489,000 and the buyer beat out the other con­tenders with an offer of $511,000.

Even when it goes over list, it’s more mea­sured,” Mr. Chad­dah says of the action.

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Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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Toronto loft with boutique hotel aesthetic

Madeleine White – The Globe and Mail

Address: 138 Princess Street
Asking price: $549,000
Maintenance fee: $386.13 a month
Unit size: 850 square foot
Taxes: $2,514.11 (2012)

The back story

In Toronto, a hotel room downtown can easily run you $150 a night. So for some couples that have a partner who works in the city, it often makes more fiscal sense to buy your own part-time space.

Steve Suraci, the founder of Icarus Designs, was tasked with creating a boutique hotel aesthetic for his clients at 138 Princess Street The owners, whose primary residence is in Dundas, needed a place to stay in the city on the weekend and when work trapped one of them in the concrete jungle late. So with Mr. Suraci’s help they picked out what could have been a generic “soft loft” in the city’s much-sought-after Corktown-St. Lawrence neighbourhood, near King Street East and Sherbourne, and turned it into a one-of-a-kind second home.

“The owners were looking to have something that was young, hip and a little minimalist,” he said. “A very modern look.”

To create this modern space, Mr. Suraci was brought in very early on. In fact, he had a part in deciding on the loft itself. He went to survey different units with his clients, advising them on which one he thought had the best layout. A lot of trust, no doubt, was put into his opinion, and it’s not just because he has nearly two decades under his belt as an interior designer. He also grew up with one of the owners of unit 1109, attending grade school with one of them in Sault Ste. Marie. Then many years later he reconnected with his old classmate when he designed their home in Dundas.

One of the reasons why they settled on the west-looking unit on the 11th floor was its view of Lake Ontario and the downtown core, which Mr. Suraci describes as being at a “comfortable height.” But it was also because the foundations for a chic home were already there, including the moody, but warm dark hardwood floor and the gallery-esque concrete walls.

“This space never felt like a small space,” he said. “We knew it had lots of potential.”

That said, there were a few things Mr. Suraci fixed, the biggest of which was the repartitioning of space. To do this, they knocked down part of the wall that split the 850-square-foot unit into two in order to convert the closed-off den near the entrance into an open formal dining area that was still far enough away from the living room to create a sense of separation.

“One of the things the owners were really keen on was being able to entertain, and most units in this square footage don’t have a proper dining space, which is why we reworked the floor plan,” he said. “This also allowed them to have a proper living room too.”

Another thing Mr. Suraci changed was the storage space, or lack thereof. He added a massive front closet with sliding doors that doubles as a place for coats at one end and a pantry at the end closest to the kitchen. He also added custom cabinetry in the two bathrooms and custom millwork in the walk-in closet.

The other original challenge in the unit was its light. Being long and skinny, it only had one source of natural light: the floor-to-ceiling windows that lined the very end of the living room and the master suite.

The owners wanted to keep this light but not forfeit their privacy, so Mr. Suraci installed translucent blinds. He also redid the rest of the lighting.

“The lighting was a big deal because these units are dark,” he said. “We did a lot of feature lighting because we didn’t want to have table lamps and floor lamps.”

So instead the owners picked a number of chic Italian designs ordered from Eurolite, including a chandelier that’s reminiscent of paillettes on a designer dress for the formal dining room and glamorous, wiry orbs that dangle above the kitchen island.

Best features

The designer lights are certainly bold decor choices, but they aren’t the boldest. That title is easily awarded to the only wall that really divides the space in the unit. To call it an accent wall is an understatement. Covered in a wallpaper Mr. Suraci called “a modern, urban forest,” it is at once busy and minimal.

“It was a risk… and a big commitment,” he acknowledged. “But we wanted something to be a feature because it was very bare without it.”

But it works. By tying together the grey of the concrete and a lot of the furniture as well as the deep brown of the hardwood floors, it pulls all of the decor threads together and adds a pop of pizzazz with its neon green, nearly chartreuse, details.

Other noteworthy details are more subdued, such as the art rail along the two concrete walls and the fact that the gauze-like blinds were chosen with the distinct purpose of allowing enough of the purple, blue and pale yellow light from a lit-up Toronto night skyline in.

Which is perfect for its location. Princess Street is equidistant from the St. Lawrence Market and the Distillery District.

“You’re actually only a 10-minute walk from the Eaton Centre,” said Mr. Suraci, “though, you feel much farther away from it.”

So much like a hotel, it’s very much in the heart of the city. And with Mr. Suraci’s renovation, it’s not only chicer than most four-stars, it’s also far less expensive since the next owners won’t need to have any work done.

“The best part is that it’s ready to be moved into today,” he said.

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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416-388-1960

Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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  • In a tricky real estate market, there’s a right way to buy

    Carolyn Ireland – The Globe and Mail

    You never know what’s going to give you an edge in buying a coveted house.

    For one buyer, it was his decision to paddle his cedar strip canoe along the shore of Lake Ontario on a chilly day.

    Mark, who asked that his last name not be used, recently triumphed over 10 other bidders – including one bully who stepped up before the offer date – to buy a house on Lake Promenade on the Etobicoke waterfront.

    During the days leading up to the offer night, Mark struck up a rapport with the owners of the house, who sat in the sun room overlooking the water, cordially greeting potential buyers who traipsed through their domain.

    Mark, who rents a house a little farther along the shoreline in the same Long Branch neighbourhood, mentioned that he had been the first canoeist to brave the cold water in March. The owner recalled seeing him paddle by.

    From there they discovered their mutual love of sailing.

    On offer night, Mark made his first-ever offer on a house and beat out the competition with a bid slightly more than $900,000 for a house with an asking price of $799,000.

    He’s not sure how much his camaraderie with the owner influenced the decision because, he acknowledges, he offered a healthy amount above the asking price. But he was surprised when he got a phone call late in the evening inviting him to come over to the house.

    Comment: As usual, it was price. He may have been friendly with them, but he also offered $101,000 over asking… Money rules everyone, I hate to say.

    “I was shocked when I got the call. They said, ‘can you come over?’ They showed up at the door with a glass of wine and shook my hand.”

    For his part, Mark says, the geniality made the buying process much warmer. He had actually lost interest in looking for a house several months ago. He still had approval for a mortgage in place, but he had stepped to the sidelines.

    But this purchase seemed meant to be. The house popped up on the market a week after his icy canoe ride.

    An engineer by training, he admired the solid construction of the mid-century dwelling.

    “I met with them. I recognized what the couple had built. There’s a bond that happens – you’re buying a home that somebody lived in their whole lives.”

    It’s not large, but he doesn’t need a sprawling place.

    “I don’t even use my living room. The living room is a storage closet for all of my sails.”

    He felt confident making an offer without a home inspection and he doesn’t plan to tear the house down or make any major changes. And he loved the fact that the owners carried on with their lives during showings instead of having it professionally staged and moving out for a week.

    “The number of times I’ve see a house and the owner was there – it rarely happens.”

    Mark also had some help from his real estate agent, who was willing to reduce his commission in order to help Mark top up his bid.

    He says he wasn’t put off by the fact that there was competition for the house. That has been the trend on the street for the past couple of years while he has been observing the market. He knew the asking price was artificially low and he figured he had a good handle on the true value.

    Comment: Thank you smart buyer! Most think the asking price is what the property is worth. No. It is worth what someone will pay for it. And so many times the price is set artificially low to encourage more bids. In the end, this house was worth $900,000 – the amount someone paid for it.

    “If you know what it’s worth, you can’t be scared because there are other offers.”

    Still, sometimes he can’t believe he was the victor.

    “I was in shock for a few days.”

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    Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416-388-1960

    Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
    They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
    who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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