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Clearing the fog on housing
John Greenwood – Financial Post
You don’t have to look far to find someone willing to share their opinion on where house prices are headed, but the thing is, everyone has a different point of view, with many insisting that prices are going for the moon while a comparably sized group warn darkly of impending collapse. But maybe the reason Canadians are muddled about real estate is because even the experts can’t agree.
Comment: Except those who predict collapse have no data. They just repeat their mantras about oversupply and corrections. Those of us who do not see collapse can point to changing trends driving people from the suburbs into the core, rising costs making condos one of the only options, the addition of 100,000 new people and up to 50,000 new households to the GTA every year – who all need somewhere to live, interest rates that have been in the 3–6% range for a solid decade now, 80% sales of new condo projects, and more… I have 10 iron clad reasons why there is no bubble and no risk of collapse.
It was only on Wednesday that one of the world’s premier bankers declared that real estate is a good place to invest. Speaking to a business group in Toronto, Goldman Sachs chief executive Lloyd Blankfein declared that in the current environment he would “go long” on property. Central banks are “putting a real penalty” on holding cash with all their money printing and that’s driving investment in real assets such as property, he explained. And while policy makers are loath to allow the formation of asset bubbles, they’re even more worried about deflation, which is the alternative, because it’s a lot more damaging and difficult to fight, he said. So go with the bubbles.
Chalk one up for the housing bulls.
Comment: Not sure I want an executive from Goldman Sachs agreeing with me…
But what about Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney? Mr. Carney – one of the world’s most highly regarded central bankers and a Goldman alumnus to boot – has taken almost every possible opportunity to warn Canadians not to make big bets on housing, even chastising households for excessive mortgage borrowing. A rise in unemployment or interest rates is all it would take to bring the whole housing market down, with harsh repercussions for the broader economy, he has suggested.
Comment: Carney has talked more about debt in general than specific housing debt. But his points still ring true.
A point for the bears.
Then there are the banks. Experts say that one of the characteristics of the housing market is that it’s surprisingly difficult to predict, affected as it is by the whims of consumer sentiment and demand. “[Economists] do tend to look at common sets of facts when they look at real estate but in reality prices can deviate from averages for months, years and even decades,” said Finn Poschmann, vice president of research at the CD Howe Instititute.
Surprisingly, two of the country’s big banks recently came out with nearly identical forecasts for housing. TD Economics this week slightly tweaked its outlook and is now calling for a gentle 10% decline prices, down from a potential drop of 15%. The new forecast puts TD in line with Bank of Nova Scotia which is also calling for a drop of 10%.
Comment: Even given a few years, in Toronto a 10% drop would mean that prices would have to drop from a 6% rise to 0% in a year, then down 5% for the next two years. Around here, as soon as prices dropped, there would be 14-person bidding wars on every house driving the price back up again. And in reality, it is a meaningless drop. That means the average detached house in Toronto goes from $805,000 to $725,000 by the end of 2015. I cannot see that without a doubling of current mortgage rates – which is not going to happen.
The Royal Bank of Canada is also in the optimists’ camp. Earlier this year Mr. Carney expressed concerns about the red-hot Toronto condo market. It didn’t take long before RBC, the country’s biggest bank by assets, said that Toronto condos are not in a bubble. In a July 24 report, RBC’s senior economist Robert Hogue said demand is actually in line with supply. (One of the unique aspects of Toronto is that it has more condos either in the planning stages or under construction than any other city in North America.)
Comment: Of course there is the right amount for the demand, that is why 80% of the new ones are sold. Never mind the 10s of 1,000s of resale condos. And prices rising but 6% per year is not a bubble, is a gradual increase. Heck, it is not even 4% when you take inflation into account. Remember the 127% jump in 1989–1990? Now THAT was a bubble!
More points for the bulls? Or the bears? We’re actually not sure.
Given the zero interest rate environment and the grim outlook for stocks, it’s easy see why Canadians are eager to gain a better understanding of the housing market. Too bad they aren’t getting much help from the experts.
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Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
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Canada Housing Bubble Talk Dismissed
Andrew Mayeda and Chris Fournier – Bloomberg
The head of Canada’s biggest bank and one of the country’s leading developers said the housing market is not in a bubble, even as one economist said Toronto is caught in a “condo craze.”
Comment: Yes, condo craze. Based on nothing but restrictive Greenbelt policies, opposition to sprawl, increased interest in urban living, hatred of commuting and more. Not that the rental market is now the condo market because there are no new rental buildings. Not that houses are expensive, forcing many first time buyers into more affordable condos. No, it is just some silly “craze”…
Canadian housing starts rose to the highest since September 2007 last month, led by multiple-unit projects, Canada Mortgage & Housing Corp. said yesterday. The annual pace of home starts rose 14 percent to 244,900, Ottawa-based CMHC said.
Participants at Bloomberg’s Canada Economic Summit in Toronto said talk of a housing bubble is overblown.
Comment: Yes!
“When we look at the overall marketplace, there might be pockets of vulnerability but we remain quite comfortable,” said Gordon Nixon, chief executive officer of Royal Bank of Canada “Frankly, I’d like to see the rhetoric come down a little bit.”
Comment: I love this man. In a brotherly kind of way of course…
A residential real-estate boom in the world’s 10th-largest economy has prompted senior policy makers such as Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty to warn that Canadians may be taking on too much debt.
Comment: Sort of. They are also cautioning against borrowing to buy cars and TVs. The debt issue has more to do with consumer debt than mortgage debt.
Carney told lawmakers April 24 that high levels of household debt remain the greatest domestic risk to Canada’s economy. In an appearance before a parliamentary committee, he reiterated that a rate increase “may become appropriate,” and warned Canadian families to exercise “caution” with their debt levels.
Comment: Because mortgage debt is secured against a tangible asset. Credit card debt to buy a TV or fridge is not.
Carney has kept his key lending rate unchanged at 1% since September 2010 in the longest pause since the 1950s.
Comment: Not for long! The economy is booming, there is no reason to keep it so low any more. Watch for a 0.25% hike by this fall at the latest.
10 percent overvalued
Housing prices in Canada are probably about 10 percent overvalued, economist Paul Fenton said at the Bloomberg summit.
Comment: Based on what? I love these general comments with nothing to back them up.
There doesn’t seem to be a sense that there’s been overbuilding, and housing doesn’t pose a systemic threat to the function of the nation’s financial system, said Fenton, senior vice-president and chief economist at Caisse de Depot et Placement du Quebec.
Comment: There is no overbuilding in Toronto when we need around 50,000 new residences each year but are building less than 30,000.
The 244,900 housing starts last month released yesterday beat economists’ expectations. The highest forecast in a Bloomberg economist survey with 21 responses was a 222,600 rate.
Comment: So the “experts” were wrong about something else? Is anyone surprised by this?
“Wow. This report reflects unbelievable strength in Canadian housing starts, and all of the gain was in multiples again which reflect the ongoing condo craze,” Scotia Capital economist Derek Holt said in a research note.
Sales of new condominiums in Toronto reached 6,070 units in the first three months of the year, a record for the first quarter, market research firm Urbanation Inc. reported May 7. As many as 40 new projects with more than 11,000 units could come on the market in the second quarter, a trend that may cause inventory of unsold units to approach a record set in 2008, Urbanation said.
Comment: So the record for unsold inventory was set 4 years ago? That means it has gone down since then? Meaning there is no huge pile of unsold condos being added to every year? Why do people lead us to believe otherwise?
Risk Averse
Condo builders “tend to be risk averse,” insisting that 70% of a project is presold and buyers put down at least a 20% deposit, according to Jim Ritchie, senior vice president of sales and marketing at Tridel, a Toronto-based real estate developer.
Comment: No, the banks that lend them the money for construction, they are the ones who want the pre-sales. And it can be 80% of units and 25% down for some projects.
“It’s all about managing risk,” Ritchie said. There’s a market for condos because average house prices in Toronto’s 416 area code are about $830,000 (for the average two-storey detached – you can get semis and towns for $300–350,000 as well), compared with $400,000 for a new condo (which average $360,000), he said.
Almost 60% of people buying condos in that area are either single or couples without children, said Ritchie, who said concerns about foreign buyers are overdone, given about 95% of purchasers are “locals who have social insurance numbers and local addresses.”
Comment: And they would know, new condo buyers have to provide photo idea and SINs to for tax purposes.
RBC’s exposure to the condo markets in Toronto and Vancouver isn’t “significant,” Nixon said. “Part of the reasons for that is firstly a lot of the condo buyers in those markets are cash buyers. At the margin there’s certainly a significant foreign component to them, and I think to some degree the banks are a bit slightly more cautious,” he said.
No Bubble
The increase in housing prices in Canada is unsustainable, said Finn Poschmann, vice president of research at the Toronto– based C.D. Howe Institute. It’s difficult for market participants to tell a bubble has formed before it has deflated, he said.
Comment: And the 6–8% average annual price increase we have seen for the past 16 years is also simply not a bubble, that is the main thing.
“The big question people ask is, is Canada’s housing market in a bubble? Our answer to that is no,” said Jim Murphy, chief executive officer of the Canadian Association of Accredited Mortgage Professionals. The association’s research suggests growth in mortgage credit is below average, he said.
Canada’s housing agency said yesterday there is no compelling evidence of a price bubble based on factors such as household income and interest rates.
“Clear evidence of a bubble is lacking,” Canada Mortgage & Housing Corp. said in its annual report. “CMHC continues to monitor very closely housing prices and underlying factors such as demographic and economic fundamentals and financial conditions across all major urban centers, including condominium markets.”
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416−388−1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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