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You want that dream home? Why you’ll have to join the line in this thin housing market
Carolyn Ireland – The Globe and Mail
Toronto real estate agent Monte Burris looked out the front window of a Sunnyside Avenue house recently and saw a small crowd lined up on the sidewalk. That was 45 minutes before he was scheduled to receive the hordes at the first open house as the property hit the market with an asking price of $1.45-million.
One week later, the sellers had accepted an offer of $1.65-million.
During the intervening days, they had also repelled a handful of bully offers and turned down the seven other bidders on official offer night.
“It was obvious early on that everyone wanted the property,” says Mr. Burris of Keller Williams Real Estate Inc.
The red-brick detached house has six bedrooms and five bathrooms. Recently renovated, it has a gas fireplace in the foyer, a large kitchen, and an expanse of glass overlooking the deck and backyard.
When the first bullies launched their opening salvo, Mr. Burris advised his clients to wait until the scheduled night for reviewing offers. Bullies often step up with an eye-popping offer, but with the proviso that it’s only good for a short time. They generally refuse to participate in a bidding war.
But listings for detached houses are so thin that Mr. Burris knew the prospective buyers would likely come back to the table.
“I was pretty confident they would all show up on offer night. There’s still very little inventory on the market.”
This one sale is emblematic of the fickle Toronto market right now – or as agents like Mr. Burris are saying more and more – the two Toronto markets.
Comment: True enough. I have a little semi in Hillcrest that people are lining up to get into. Open house is today, I am afraid of the hordes that will come…
“Condos are a completely different market,” says Mr. Burris.
That segment is awash in “inventory” as agents say. Sellers are forced to cut their prices or wait a long time for a sale in some cases.
Comment: For some, not for all. Anything generic is sitting, as there are tons of similar units available. The larger or unique ones, with a view or in a boutique building, they are still moving nicely. The problem is that there are more and more boring little white boxes, the condo market is awash in sameness.
Detached houses will generally attract multiple offers if they are renovated and located in a prime neighbourhood. Condo and loft units will attract multiple offers in many cases if they are in a boutique building or supremely well located. They need to stand out from the competition.
The numbers show how unpredictable the market is now: sales in the Greater Toronto Area remained flat with a dip of about 1% in the first half of April compared with the same period last year. That’s not as grim as the double-digit drops recorded in previous months, but it’s not the spring bounce many agents were hoping for.
Comment: Sales jumped 16% from –17% to –1% and that is not a big bounce? Sure looks like a large increase to me.
Meanwhile, the average price rose 4.3% in the first two weeks of April from the same period last year. Listings rose 16% in the first half of April compared with the first half of April, 2012.
Comment: After listings being down, sellers had held back when things looked bad. Less listings and fewer sales, now more listings and higher sales. Seems simple enough. And better weather helps for sure. Spring 2012 saw 25 degrees in February for Pete’s sake, which really boosted sales. This year it was cold and crappy until almost the end of April. These things make a difference.
The numbers were buoyed by sales of single-family homes in the suburbs, according to the Toronto Real Estate Board.
In the City of Toronto, sales of detached houses slipped 3.4% compared with the first half of April last year. Condo sales in Toronto declined 4.3% year over year for the same period.
Chander Chaddah of Sutton Group-Associates Brokerage Inc. specializes in the Roncesvalles area. He says sales are definitely down and the market remains spotty.
He’s advising his clients who want to buy to aim for a house that does not incite a frenzy.
“I had to talk clients out of an offer last week.”
The house was listed with an asking price of $849,000 and Mr. Chaddah’s clients thought they might be able to stretch to an offer of $875,000 or so. Mr. Chaddah checked out the number of bids on the offer date and told his clients not to get their hopes up. “We don’t have a chance,” he advised them.
The house sold for $1.020-million.
Mr. Chaddah says many buyers seem to fall into the trap of bidding for a house as soon as they know that other people want it.
Comment: I cannot say that I have ever seen that. But I have seen them try to throw in a low bid “just in case” they get it. The problem is, they won’t. And if there are 20 bids, at least 10 of them are hail mary bids hoping beyond hope that it goes for list price or less. It won’t. What that does, though, is push up the serious bids. All you have to go on in a bidding war is the number of bids. And generally you see the sale price around $5–10,000 per bid over asking. So 10 bids could push an $849,000 house to $900,000 but 20 will easily send it to $1,020,000. The people who do not want the price to go too high are the very ones pushing it up. Had they stayed out of it, the house would have sold for $100,000 less than it did. Now, the next house on the street is listed for $899,000 with bids and sells for $1,100,000 and so on… The people who were never in the running for the house have now pushed the prices even higher. Exactly what they complain about. I try to explain this to people but they just get mad at me. They think it is their right to make an offer… “just in case”…
“There’s no question that there’s this perverse need for affirmation.”
He says house hunters who hear that sellers who find out that they won’t have to join a contest – either because the sellers haven’t set an offer date or because no rivals have shown up – then start to question their own judgment.
“The question starts to creep in, ‘what am I missing?’”
Lots of good houses are overlooked that way, he says, and he thinks buyers often end up paying too much as a result.
“I do more talking people out of houses than I ever do talking people into houses,” he says.
Usually buyers know pretty quickly if a house feels right to them. If it does, he encourages them to be grateful if other buyers are passing it buy.
Comment: Exactly. Your gut tells you it is the right place. If you don’t know it the moment you walk in, then it is not for you. You should never have to convince yourself or justify it.
“If we think it’s a good house, it’s a good house and we don’t need three other people to confirm that. Then I’ll tell them, let’s see if we can go in and knock a couple of bucks off the asking price.”
Mr. Chaddah is wishing that many more sellers will decide to list soon. Often people who are thinking of putting a “for sale” sign on the lawn will wait for spring flowers and budding trees.
“More product,” says Mr. Chaddah. “That’s what I hope happens.”
At the same time, he tells condo sellers that they have to be patient.
“There’s a ton of product out there.”
A really slick condo townhouse, or a high-rise unit with a really good view will sometimes stir up competing bidders, he says.
He worked with a buyer recently who bought a nicely renovated condo on Quebec Avenue in High Park. The asking price was $489,000 and the buyer beat out the other contenders with an offer of $511,000.
“Even when it goes over list, it’s more measured,” Mr. Chaddah says of the action.
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416−388−1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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In a tricky real estate market, there’s a right way to buy
Carolyn Ireland – The Globe and Mail
You never know what’s going to give you an edge in buying a coveted house.
For one buyer, it was his decision to paddle his cedar strip canoe along the shore of Lake Ontario on a chilly day.
Mark, who asked that his last name not be used, recently triumphed over 10 other bidders – including one bully who stepped up before the offer date – to buy a house on Lake Promenade on the Etobicoke waterfront.
During the days leading up to the offer night, Mark struck up a rapport with the owners of the house, who sat in the sun room overlooking the water, cordially greeting potential buyers who traipsed through their domain.
Mark, who rents a house a little farther along the shoreline in the same Long Branch neighbourhood, mentioned that he had been the first canoeist to brave the cold water in March. The owner recalled seeing him paddle by.
From there they discovered their mutual love of sailing.
On offer night, Mark made his first-ever offer on a house and beat out the competition with a bid slightly more than $900,000 for a house with an asking price of $799,000.
He’s not sure how much his camaraderie with the owner influenced the decision because, he acknowledges, he offered a healthy amount above the asking price. But he was surprised when he got a phone call late in the evening inviting him to come over to the house.
Comment: As usual, it was price. He may have been friendly with them, but he also offered $101,000 over asking… Money rules everyone, I hate to say.
“I was shocked when I got the call. They said, ‘can you come over?’ They showed up at the door with a glass of wine and shook my hand.”
For his part, Mark says, the geniality made the buying process much warmer. He had actually lost interest in looking for a house several months ago. He still had approval for a mortgage in place, but he had stepped to the sidelines.
But this purchase seemed meant to be. The house popped up on the market a week after his icy canoe ride.
An engineer by training, he admired the solid construction of the mid-century dwelling.
“I met with them. I recognized what the couple had built. There’s a bond that happens – you’re buying a home that somebody lived in their whole lives.”
It’s not large, but he doesn’t need a sprawling place.
“I don’t even use my living room. The living room is a storage closet for all of my sails.”
He felt confident making an offer without a home inspection and he doesn’t plan to tear the house down or make any major changes. And he loved the fact that the owners carried on with their lives during showings instead of having it professionally staged and moving out for a week.
“The number of times I’ve see a house and the owner was there – it rarely happens.”
Mark also had some help from his real estate agent, who was willing to reduce his commission in order to help Mark top up his bid.
He says he wasn’t put off by the fact that there was competition for the house. That has been the trend on the street for the past couple of years while he has been observing the market. He knew the asking price was artificially low and he figured he had a good handle on the true value.
Comment: Thank you smart buyer! Most think the asking price is what the property is worth. No. It is worth what someone will pay for it. And so many times the price is set artificially low to encourage more bids. In the end, this house was worth $900,000 – the amount someone paid for it.
“If you know what it’s worth, you can’t be scared because there are other offers.”
Still, sometimes he can’t believe he was the victor.
“I was in shock for a few days.”
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416-388-1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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How to find the home you never thought you wanted
Carolyn Ireland – The Globe and Mail
Toronto’s spring real estate market is full of quirks and happenstance.
Last week I wrote about Arie and Sabina Diamant, who were contemplating making an offer on a fixer-upper with a sloping basement floor in the pocket south of the Eglinton West subway station. The couple decided to pass on the house on Belvedere Avenue, but there’s a twist to the story – Ms. Diamant’s sister immediately bought it. Jody Segal and her husband have been renting in the neighbourhood during their one-and-a-half-year search for a place to buy.
They had looked at the semi-detached brick house earlier but they didn’t see the potential, says Ms. Segal. Like so many house hunters they had trouble envisioning a chic, modern house emerging from decades’ worth of clutter and oppressive window treatments.
But the couple was discouraged after another house they liked in the area sold in a bidding war for a price way beyond what they could afford. They had started to look in Thornhill and other areas farther from the core.
But when Ms. Segal heard from her sister Sabina that the house could be rejuvenated with a renovation, she reconsidered. She talked to Sabina’s agent, who saw the house as a solid property that offered lots of room for improvement – and therefore enhanced value.
That’s when Ms. Segal and her husband decided that the house might work for them and their two young children. It has a large lot and three bedrooms. And it wasn’t drawing much attention.
“It was cold,” says Ms. Segal. “It had been listed for a while.”
So they made an offer conditional on inspection and bargained the owner down from the $499,000 asking price.
During the five days they had to carry out an inspection, Ms. Segal says, another semi came up for sale on the same street. It had an asking price of $689,000 and offered only two bedrooms but it was renovated top-to-bottom and “showed” extremely well.
“People were flocking to it,” says Ms. Segal, who was walking contractors through the house she had purchased. While she was there, people who had been drawn to the house up the street and saw the “for sale” sign on hers were knocking on the door.
She figures those potential buyers weren’t even considering houses under $500,000 and therefore it wasn’t on their radar screens until they visited the street to see the more expensive house.
All of a sudden, the house they had purchased conditionally was getting fresh attention. Ms. Segal figures if she had waited just a few more days, they would have missed out.
Comment: And they might have been able to flip it days after buying it for a tidy profit!
“If we don’t take this now, we’ll never be able to stay in this neighbourhood,” Ms. Segal told her husband. Meanwhile, the builders and inspectors she talked to reassured her that the house is solid.
Now she and her husband are looking forward with great excitement to taking possession and getting the reno under way. They won’t attempt to live in the house while the work is going on.
“I’ve heard that marriages end that way,” she says.
Meanwhile, a savvy professional woman I know was tempted this week by a renovated two-bedroom house in New Toronto just a few doors up from Lake Ontario. She contemplated putting an offer on the table, but backed away when she heard that four offers had already been registered with one hour to go before the deadline.
The house had an asking price of $639,000 but she figures that a selling price above $700,000 would leave no room for increasing the value.
Comment: Again, what is with people and “increasing the value” of houses? If it is already reno’d, there is little to do. Either way, you pay $400k for a project and spend $200k to end up with a house worth $600k – or bid $600k on a house priced at $539k that is already reno’d. Just a matter of the time and effort you have to spend. Neither one is a better deal, both end up the same. Just a different journey to get there.
Besides, spring market competition is too nerve-racking, she adds, and she’s going to stay in her current house for a while longer.
Agents say there have been very few detached houses for sale in the west-end neighbourhoods along the lake this spring so any properties that do come on the market are immediately swarmed.
Still, they add, sales remain fickle and they’re sometimes at a loss to understand why some houses attract multiple offers and others none at all.
Micro-hoods: Where to find affordable homes in Toronto – Long Branch
For many years, Long Branch on the edge of Lake Ontario was a gritty neighbourhood bordered by industry.
The stores and restaurants on Lake Shore Boulevard West stubbornly resisted any hints of trendiness.
And, even as Mimico and New Toronto to the east were becoming more gentrified, Long Branch real estate lagged in value.
But long-time residents prefer the wider lots and quieter, less buzzy streets in Long Branch.
Partly the area was held back in the past by the odd housing mix: Lots of small apartment buildings and fourplexes stand side-by-side with the bungalows and two-storey brick houses on the curving, tree-lined streets.
But more recently, builders have been razing the smaller houses and building large, new dwellings.
The shift in housing stock is lifting the value of the entire neighbourhood.
As a sure sign the area is on the rise, the earnest barristas have arrived.
Fair Grounds is a bustling café roasting its own organic, fair-trade beans.
A few doors down, an outpost of the Burrito Boyz has opened near Brown’s Line.
For homeowners who want a boost from rental income, the area offers the opportunity to take in Humber College students attending the Lakeshore Campus.
Meanwhile, developers are launching new condominium projects close to the Long Branch GO Train station.
For now, the slower street car rumbles along Lake Shore Boulevard, but politicians and the Toronto Transit Commission have talked about building a Waterfront West LRT from Union Station to Long Branch.
As more people move into the area, new businesses and services are sure to follow.
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416-388-1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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