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Quebec realtors dispute figures showing more condos on sale in Montreal than Toronto
Allison Lampert – The Gazette
Whenever there’s a big national story on the spectre of a tidal wave of plunging resale prices, empty condos and foreclosures turning major Canadian housing markets into ghost towns, the epicentre of the impending collapse always seems to be in either Toronto or Vancouver.
Comment: Which is funny, since Toronto is not collapsing and Vancouver has been for years.
So when recent opinion pieces warned of “signs of another bust in the making” – that the number of homes for sale in Greater Montreal on the Multiple Listing Service now surpassed active listings in Vancouver and Toronto combined, the figures were startling.
Equally surprising were figures showing double the number of condos for sale on the MLS (or on the Centris listing system in Quebec) in Greater Montreal as in Greater Toronto — the largest real estate market in the country, which has more condos under construction than anywhere else in North America.
“Montreal is actually where the greatest supply-demand imbalance currently exists,” analyst Ben Rabidoux wrote Wednesday in The Globe and Mail.
Comment: Which is coming from someone almost as negative as Garth Turner!
While active listings in the Montreal condo market, direct comparisons between the number of homes for sale in the two cities have come under fire.
Comment: You cannot compare them, two different cities. And you cannot compare either to Vancouver.
In a response Wednesday, the Quebec Federation of Real Estate Boards challenged the argument that there were more condos for sale in Montreal than in Toronto, citing the disparity in housing starts between the two cities.
There are now 51,000 condos under construction in Greater Toronto, compared to 12,600 in Greater Montreal, the federation said, citing Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. data. As of January, 20,800 of those condos in Toronto have yet to be sold, compared to 5,800 units in Montreal, wrote Paul Cardinal, the federation’s director for market analysis citing data from research firms in both cities.
Comment: There are actually 61,000 condos under construction in Toronto right now.
“Right there, that’s about four times less than in Toronto,” Cardinal wrote.
Comment: And with about 3.3x as many people in Toronto, for Montreal to have 1/4 the condos makes a lot of sense. The scale is right.
“It’s clear that there are far more condos for sale in Greater Toronto than in Greater Montreal. So we cannot confirm that supply is more problematic in (Montreal) than in Toronto.”
What’s more, the Toronto Real Estate Board tracts data separately for condo apartments and condo townhouses, while in Montreal, those numbers are compiled in one category for all types of condos. Yet most of the comparisons between the cities include all 12,623 condos for sale in Montreal last month, but only cite the 6,123 condo apartments in Toronto, which make up the majority of the active listings in that category.
In March, there were about 1,000 condo townhouses for sale in Toronto, data from TREB show.
But while the comparison may not be two to one, there is still a gap in the active listings between the two cities.
Either way, it’s clear that supply is rising in Greater Montreal, where the condo market now favours buyers for the first time in 15 years with March inventory up 25% to 12,623 units, compared to the same month in 2012.
Comment: Same as Toronto, sellers have ruled the roost for a long time.
While certain Montreal condo projects have already sold out, some developers are now giving away cars, raising brokers’ commissions and running special promotions to sell units. And on Saturday, the downtown Montreal condo tower Avenue is holding a sale where buyers can get higher-floor apartments for the same price as units on lower levels.
For Montreal buyers, it doesn’t take a comparison with Toronto to know that choices abound these days in the city’s condo market.
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Canadian housing market will have a soft landing
The Canadian Press
Scotiabank chief executive officer Rick Waugh says he expects the Canadian housing market will have a “soft landing” rather than face a major downturn this year.
The head of Canada’s most international bank told the bank’s annual meeting that delinquency rates with its clients are “slightly elevated,” but appear to be under control.
Waugh says he doesn’t anticipate the bank will endure any significant losses from unpaid mortgages.
Comment: With default rates at or less than 1/3rd of 1%, I would expect so. Canadian mortgages default at a rate around 1/1,000th as they do in the US.
Canada’s housing market is expected to soften this year as fewer people buy homes and construction of new homes starts to slow.
A report from Scotiabank last month said that the slowdown was part of the market getting back into balance.
Comment: A slow down meaning less sales. We are already seeing that in Toronto, with annual sales down from highs in the mid-90,000 range to a more manageable 80-85,000. It does not mean prices are going to fall or that the markets will crash.
Lower housing prices tend to cause a larger correction in home prices in certain sectors like condominiums in major cities.
Comment: Except most major Canadian cities have seen prices rise in Q1 2013. Only Vancouver, Victoria and Saint John, N.B. had prices decline this quarter. Canada as a whole, negative cities included, saw house prices rise 2.2% and condos rise 1.2%. That is for the 1st 3 months of the year, a full quarter. So where are these lower house prices coming from? Toronto prices rose almost 4% in March alone.
Separately, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. said Tuesday the pace of housing starts crept up slightly in March, despite a drop in the number of single dwellings begun in some urban markets.
The agency estimates there were 12,273 actual starts in March, which extrapolated out over 12 months gives a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 184,028, just over the 183,207 February figure.
It says the annual rate of starts in urban markets slipped 2.7% in March to 157,217 units, as the level of activity in multiple-unit dwellings such as condos and apartments remained steady but starts of single urban dwellings fell.
Comment: Well, duh… who is building houses in cities anymore? It is all condo construction now.
There was a 6.6% decline in single urban starts to 60,558 units while multiple urban starts remained relatively unchanged at 96,659 units in March.
Urban starts decreased 15.7% in Ontario on a seasonally adjusted annual rate and were down 13.5% in Quebec.
However, urban starts increased in 27.1% Atlantic Canada, were 13.8% higher on the Prairies and 13.1% higher in British Columbia.
In another report, Statistics Canada said municipalities issued building permits worth $6– billion in February, up 1.7% from January. The agency says higher construction intentions in the non-residential sector in eight provinces more than offset a decline in the residential sector.
Despite the February advance, the total value of building permits has been trending downwards since late 2012.
Permits for residential construction fell 7.2% to $3.6-billion.
The value of permits in the non-residential sector increased 18.9% to $2.4-billion, with increases in every province except New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.
All three segments of the non-industrial sector – commercial, institutional and industrial – recorded increases.
Comment: Still not sure I understand what the soft landing here is. Sales volume drops a bit, from record highs down to the 5-10 year average. Prices keep rising. Building permit are up one month, down another, basically evening out. How is that even a landing? Sounds to me like things are rising or staying fairly level. Where is the drop? Where is the landing?
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Surge in Canadian condo starts adds fuel to bubble talk
The seasonally adjusted annual rate of housing starts was 197,900 units last month, down from 199,900 units in December, the government agency said
Allison Lampert, The Gazette
Fuelled by a 57% rise in new home construction in Quebec, national starts made an unexpected leap last month, reviving the spectre of a bubble in certain hot condo markets, according to data published Tuesday by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp.
Comment: Again, averages and national numbers do not reflect local realities. A jump in Quebec construction has nothing to do with condos in Toronto.
While some analysts had predicted housing starts would weaken after a particularly strong March, April numbers rose to 244,900, compared with expectations of 204,000. That was the strongest level of new home construction since 2007. Many analysts had expected some softening after home building was boosted by warm weather across much of Canada during March.
Comment: Wow… yet again the analysts and experts were wrong. That has got to be 122 straight months now.
“This report reflects unbelievable strength in Canadian housing starts, and all of the gain was in multiples again, which reflect the ongoing Canadian condo craze,” said Scotia Capital economist Derek Holt. “The multiples number was the second strongest monthly reading on record and was only slightly behind September 2007.”
Comment: Exactly. This is not new. The record was set almost 5 years ago, with the trend continuing thereafter. And it went right through the issues of 2008. That proves the strength of the market and the solid foundation upon which it is built. During that time we saw the mortgage market tightened up THREE times by the finance minister. And still it kept on keeping on. All of those investors condos bought to rent out – and Toronto’s vacancy rate is still around 1.3%. Prices are now slowing, finally. Resale condos rose only 4% last month, down from highs of double that. New condos even dropped 1% on a per-square-foot basis in the 1st quarter. So argue against me and the facts, explain to me where the bubble lies.
Nationally, however, new home construction rose almost 23%, year to date, compared with the same four months in 2011, driven largely by increased building in Ontario and the Prairies, Laberge said.
In April, Ontario’s housing starts increased by 12.2%, while new home construction rose by 11,000 in Toronto alone, raising renewed fears of overheated condo sales in Canada’s largest real estate market.
Comment: And starts dropped more than expected in February and everyone panicked and said the condo market was dead. Could it be that starts are up because the weather is better than normal and has allowed for more construction sooner in the year?
“There’s little question now that Canada’s residential construction sector is heated,” said Robert Kavcic of BMO Capital Markets.
Scotia Bank’s Holt, who warned of a speculator-driven “ghost city” phenomenon in Toronto Tuesday morning, softened his position later in the day.
Comment: Oh yes, all of these condos that dem darn forrenners is buyin’, yup, buyin’ dem all up and den not livin’ in ‘em or rentin’ ‘em out. Juss leavin’ dem all empty. Because it makes so much sense to buy condos and then leave them empty..
“We took an overly strong interpretation of CMHC figures,” he said, in reference to data showing that 22% of Toronto area condos are being rented out by owner-investors.
Comment: So 22% are rented out and 5% are foreign bought. That does not scare me at all.
The CMHC doesn’t actually track data for speculators, who buy condos and flip them for a profit.
Comment: No, but generally 20% of a condo sells within a year of registration. And of that 20%, some are investors. Others lost their job, got married or had a baby. Some were transferred, others walked in on their PDI day and realized how small it was. Or hated the view. Remember, these people all bought 3-5 years earlier – life can change a LOT in that time.
Shaun Hildebrand, senior analyst for the CMHC in Toronto, said that out of the more than 17,000 condo units completed in the Greater Toronto Area during the last fiscal year, 841 units – or less than 5% – were left unsold by developers.
Comment: And they all sell, eventually.
That number, he said, is cumulative, and would include condos built by developers in previous years. Arguing that housing growth is supported by fundamentals, including net immigration in Ontario, Laberge denied evidence of a Canadian condo bubble.
“There is no clear evidence, there is no clear proof of overheating or problematic conditions in the market.”
Comment: Thank dog we are finally starting to hear from sane and rational people. People who actually work in the industry and are not just self-appointed “experts” who are too far removed.
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416-388-1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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