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Quebec realtors dispute figures showing more condos on sale in Montreal than Toronto

Alli­son Lam­pert – The Gazette

When­ever there’s a big national story on the spec­tre of a tidal wave of plung­ing resale prices, empty con­dos and fore­clo­sures turn­ing major Cana­dian hous­ing mar­kets into ghost towns, the epi­cen­tre of the impend­ing col­lapse always seems to be in either Toronto or Vancouver.

Com­ment: Which is funny, since Toronto is not col­laps­ing and Van­cou­ver has been for years.

So when recent opin­ion pieces warned of “signs of another bust in the mak­ing” – that the num­ber of homes for sale in Greater Mon­treal on the Mul­ti­ple List­ing Ser­vice now sur­passed active list­ings in Van­cou­ver and Toronto com­bined, the fig­ures were startling.

Equally sur­pris­ing were fig­ures show­ing dou­ble the num­ber of con­dos for sale on the MLS (or on the Cen­tris list­ing sys­tem in Que­bec) in Greater Mon­treal as in Greater Toronto — the largest real estate mar­ket in the coun­try, which has more con­dos under con­struc­tion than any­where else in North America.

Mon­treal is actu­ally where the great­est supply-demand imbal­ance cur­rently exists,” ana­lyst Ben Rabidoux wrote Wednes­day in The Globe and Mail.

Com­ment: Which is com­ing from some­one almost as neg­a­tive as Garth Turner!

While active list­ings in the Mon­treal condo mar­ket, direct com­par­isons between the num­ber of homes for sale in the two cities have come under fire.

Com­ment: You can­not com­pare them, two dif­fer­ent cities. And you can­not com­pare either to Vancouver.

In a response Wednes­day, the Que­bec Fed­er­a­tion of Real Estate Boards chal­lenged the argu­ment that there were more con­dos for sale in Mon­treal than in Toronto, cit­ing the dis­par­ity in hous­ing starts between the two cities.

There are now 51,000 con­dos under con­struc­tion in Greater Toronto, com­pared to 12,600 in Greater Mon­treal, the fed­er­a­tion said, cit­ing Canada Mort­gage and Hous­ing Corp. data. As of Jan­u­ary, 20,800 of those con­dos in Toronto have yet to be sold, com­pared to 5,800 units in Mon­treal, wrote Paul Car­di­nal, the federation’s direc­tor for mar­ket analy­sis cit­ing data from research firms in both cities.

Com­ment: There are actu­ally 61,000 con­dos under con­struc­tion in Toronto right now.

Right there, that’s about four times less than in Toronto,” Car­di­nal wrote.

Com­ment: And with about 3.3x as many peo­ple in Toronto, for Mon­treal to have 1/4 the con­dos makes a lot of sense. The scale is right.

It’s clear that there are far more con­dos for sale in Greater Toronto than in Greater Mon­treal. So we can­not con­firm that sup­ply is more prob­lem­atic in (Mon­treal) than in Toronto.”

What’s more, the Toronto Real Estate Board tracts data sep­a­rately for condo apart­ments and condo town­houses, while in Mon­treal, those num­bers are com­piled in one cat­e­gory for all types of con­dos. Yet most of the com­par­isons between the cities include all 12,623 con­dos for sale in Mon­treal last month, but only cite the 6,123 condo apart­ments in Toronto, which make up the major­ity of the active list­ings in that category.

In March, there were about 1,000 condo town­houses for sale in Toronto, data from TREB show.

But while the com­par­i­son may not be two to one, there is still a gap in the active list­ings between the two cities.

Either way, it’s clear that sup­ply is ris­ing in Greater Mon­treal, where the condo mar­ket now favours buy­ers for the first time in 15 years with March inven­tory up 25% to 12,623 units, com­pared to the same month in 2012.

Com­ment: Same as Toronto, sell­ers have ruled the roost for a long time.

While cer­tain Mon­treal condo projects have already sold out, some devel­op­ers are now giv­ing away cars, rais­ing bro­kers’ com­mis­sions and run­ning spe­cial pro­mo­tions to sell units. And on Sat­ur­day, the down­town Mon­treal condo tower Avenue is hold­ing a sale where buy­ers can get higher-floor apart­ments for the same price as units on lower levels.

For Mon­treal buy­ers, it doesn’t take a com­par­i­son with Toronto to know that choices abound these days in the city’s condo market.

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  • Canadian housing market will have a soft landing

    The Canadian Press

    Scotiabank chief executive officer Rick Waugh says he expects the Canadian housing market will have a “soft landing” rather than face a major downturn this year.

    The head of Canada’s most international bank told the bank’s annual meeting that delinquency rates with its clients are “slightly elevated,” but appear to be under control.

    Waugh says he doesn’t anticipate the bank will endure any significant losses from unpaid mortgages.

    Comment: With default rates at or less than 1/3rd of 1%, I would expect so. Canadian mortgages default at a rate around 1/1,000th as they do in the US.

    Canada’s housing market is expected to soften this year as fewer people buy homes and construction of new homes starts to slow.

    A report from Scotiabank last month said that the slowdown was part of the market getting back into balance.

    Comment: A slow down meaning less sales. We are already seeing that in Toronto, with annual sales down from highs in the mid-90,000 range to a more manageable 80-85,000. It does not mean prices are going to fall or that the markets will crash.

    Lower housing prices tend to cause a larger correction in home prices in certain sectors like condominiums in major cities.

    Comment: Except most major Canadian cities have seen prices rise in Q1 2013. Only Vancouver, Victoria and Saint John, N.B. had prices decline this quarter. Canada as a whole, negative cities included, saw house prices rise 2.2% and condos rise 1.2%. That is for the 1st 3 months of the year, a full quarter. So where are these lower house prices coming from? Toronto prices rose almost 4% in March alone.

    Separately, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. said Tuesday the pace of housing starts crept up slightly in March, despite a drop in the number of single dwellings begun in some urban markets.

    The agency estimates there were 12,273 actual starts in March, which extrapolated out over 12 months gives a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 184,028, just over the 183,207 February figure.

    It says the annual rate of starts in urban markets slipped 2.7% in March to 157,217 units, as the level of activity in multiple-unit dwellings such as condos and apartments remained steady but starts of single urban dwellings fell.

    Comment: Well, duh… who is building houses in cities anymore? It is all condo construction now.

    There was a 6.6% decline in single urban starts to 60,558 units while multiple urban starts remained relatively unchanged at 96,659 units in March.

    Urban starts decreased 15.7% in Ontario on a seasonally adjusted annual rate and were down 13.5% in Quebec.

    However, urban starts increased in 27.1% Atlantic Canada, were 13.8% higher on the Prairies and 13.1% higher in British Columbia.

    In another report, Statistics Canada said municipalities issued building permits worth $6– billion in February, up 1.7% from January. The agency says higher construction intentions in the non-residential sector in eight provinces more than offset a decline in the residential sector.

    Despite the February advance, the total value of building permits has been trending downwards since late 2012.

    Permits for residential construction fell 7.2% to $3.6-billion.

    The value of permits in the non-residential sector increased 18.9% to $2.4-billion, with increases in every province except New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.

    All three segments of the non-industrial sector – commercial, institutional and industrial – recorded increases.

    Comment: Still not sure I understand what the soft landing here is. Sales volume drops a bit, from record highs down to the 5-10 year average. Prices keep rising. Building permit are up one month, down another, basically evening out. How is that even a landing? Sounds to me like things are rising or staying fairly level. Where is the drop? Where is the landing?

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    Surge in Canadian condo starts adds fuel to bubble talk

    The seasonally adjusted annual rate of housing starts was 197,900 units last month, down from 199,900 units in December, the government agency said

    Allison Lampert, The Gazette

    Fuelled by a 57% rise in new home construction in Quebec, national starts made an unexpected leap last month, reviving the spectre of a bubble in certain hot condo markets, according to data published Tuesday by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp.

    Comment: Again, averages and national numbers do not reflect local realities. A jump in Quebec construction has nothing to do with condos in Toronto.

    While some analysts had predicted housing starts would weaken after a particularly strong March, April numbers rose to 244,900, compared with expectations of 204,000. That was the strongest level of new home construction since 2007. Many analysts had expected some softening after home building was boosted by warm weather across much of Canada during March.

    Comment: Wow… yet again the analysts and experts were wrong. That has got to be 122 straight months now.

    “This report reflects unbelievable strength in Canadian housing starts, and all of the gain was in multiples again, which reflect the ongoing Canadian condo craze,” said Scotia Capital economist Derek Holt. “The multiples number was the second strongest monthly reading on record and was only slightly behind September 2007.”

    Comment: Exactly. This is not new. The record was set almost 5 years ago, with the trend continuing thereafter. And it went right through the issues of 2008. That proves the strength of the market and the solid foundation upon which it is built. During that time we saw the mortgage market tightened up THREE times by the finance minister. And still it kept on keeping on. All of those investors condos bought to rent out – and Toronto’s vacancy rate is still around 1.3%. Prices are now slowing, finally. Resale condos rose only 4% last month, down from highs of double that. New condos even dropped 1% on a per-square-foot basis in the 1st quarter. So argue against me and the facts, explain to me where the bubble lies.

    Nationally, however, new home construction rose almost 23%, year to date, compared with the same four months in 2011, driven largely by increased building in Ontario and the Prairies, Laberge said.

    In April, Ontario’s housing starts increased by 12.2%, while new home construction rose by 11,000 in Toronto alone, raising renewed fears of overheated condo sales in Canada’s largest real estate market.

    Comment: And starts dropped more than expected in February and everyone panicked and said the condo market was dead. Could it be that starts are up because the weather is better than normal and has allowed for more construction sooner in the year?

    “There’s little question now that Canada’s residential construction sector is heated,” said Robert Kavcic of BMO Capital Markets.

    Scotia Bank’s Holt, who warned of a speculator-driven “ghost city” phenomenon in Toronto Tuesday morning, softened his position later in the day.

    Comment: Oh yes, all of these condos that dem darn forrenners is buyin’, yup, buyin’ dem all up and den not livin’ in ‘em or rentin’ ‘em out. Juss leavin’ dem all empty. Because it makes so much sense to buy condos and then leave them empty..

    “We took an overly strong interpretation of CMHC figures,” he said, in reference to data showing that 22% of Toronto area condos are being rented out by owner-investors.

    Comment: So 22% are rented out and 5% are foreign bought. That does not scare me at all.

    The CMHC doesn’t actually track data for speculators, who buy condos and flip them for a profit.

    Comment: No, but generally 20% of a condo sells within a year of registration. And of that 20%, some are investors. Others lost their job, got married or had a baby. Some were transferred, others walked in on their PDI day and realized how small it was. Or hated the view. Remember, these people all bought 3-5 years earlier – life can change a LOT in that time.

    Shaun Hildebrand, senior analyst for the CMHC in Toronto, said that out of the more than 17,000 condo units completed in the Greater Toronto Area during the last fiscal year, 841 units – or less than 5% – were left unsold by developers.

    Comment: And they all sell, eventually.

    That number, he said, is cumulative, and would include condos built by developers in previous years. Arguing that housing growth is supported by fundamentals, including net immigration in Ontario, Laberge denied evidence of a Canadian condo bubble.

    “There is no clear evidence, there is no clear proof of overheating or problematic conditions in the market.”

    Comment: Thank dog we are finally starting to hear from sane and rational people. People who actually work in the industry and are not just self-appointed “experts” who are too far removed.

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    Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
    They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
    who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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