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Toronto condo parking spaces can fetch $60K
The resale market for parking spots and condos is steady with some ranging in price up to $60,000. Still, there are a few wrinkles in selling a spot.
Ian Harvey – Toronto Star
With parking a hot commodity for downtown residents who drive, condo owners are taking advantage of the demand and selling their parking spaces.
A spot that was purchased for $18,000 about 15 years ago, for example, was recently sold by its owner for $38,000.
Still, that was a bargain compared to prices that begin at $55,000 — and generate bidding wars — for parking spots in newly built downtown condominiums. Most buildings have fewer parking spaces than condo suites, and many have no visitor parking at all.
Yet even at $40,000 to $60,000, Toronto condo dwellers are still in a sweet spot. In cities such as London, England and New York, parking spots for multi-million-dollar condo units can run up to a cool one million dollars.
In Singapore, one luxury builder has installed a parking elevator to bring owners’ cars to their units where they are off-loaded into a special ensuite parking bay. A home with a two-bay parking garage is $7.7 million.
In Toronto, the resale market for parking spots and condos remains steady with MLS for early March showing some 23 parking spots ranging up to $60,000 and also three lockers for sale with prices from $4,000 to $6,000.
Still, there are a few wrinkles in selling a spot or a locker.
First, read your condominium declaration, says Lorne Shapiro of Basman Smith LLP , a real estate lawyer who works with developers.
“It’s the bible and it will spell out what you can and cannot do,” he said.
Comment: It all depends on whether or not the spot is owned or exclusive use. If you have a deed for the parking spot, you can sell it. If it is a common element that you have exclusive use of, too bad, it stays with the unit and cannot be sold. Same with a locker.
While some older condo corporations may not have anticipated sales of parking spots and storage lockers, most declarations allow sale only to another owner in the building, Shapiro said. And there are reasons why: mainly security.
Assuming it’s permitted, selling a parking spot or locker is the same as selling title to your condo, he said.
“The residential unit, parking spot and locker are all titled and numbered separately so there are no issues with title,” he said. “And you have to pay the maintenance fees on them.”
You also might want to read over your mortgage documents if you’re thinking about “flipping” a parking spot or locker soon after purchase, warns Robert Wong, a real estate broker with Keller Williams Realty . In fact, it’s a good idea to check with your mortgage period.
“If you’ve got a mortgage then the locker or parking spot will likely be included in the value of you condominium,” he said. “If you sell the parking spot or locker, you have changed the value of the property and there could be a problem.”
With more downtown condos going up with fewer parking spots — the 42-storey project at the old Royal Canadian Military Institute on University Ave. near Dundas St., will have none at all — the price for those suites that do have spots, and the resale market for parking spaces, are both escalating.
Politics has also raised its head in the condo parking issue.
The city of Toronto usually demands .67 to .75 parking spaces per unit for most condos and up to 1.1 in some outlying areas but will waive that ratio depending on location.
Homeowners in the Woodbine Ave. and Queen St. E. area in the Beach were recently incensed when they learned a 70-unit condo planned for the neighbourhood would have only 65 spaces — actually more than the requirement. The residents fear an overflow of cars will flood their streets and force those homeowners with street parking further from their regular spots.
Of course, getting a parking spot with a condo all depends on location, location, location. Buyers in the suburbs usually expect parking included the deal, along with a locker, because transit isn’t always close, fast or convenient depending on where they work.
Singles, young couples and empty nesters who buy within the city’s core for the lifestyle, however, aren’t usually interested in parking spots said Jim Ritchie, Tridel’s senior vice president of sales and marketing. Those residents don’t rely on cars and instead use streetcars, subways, bicycles and even shared rides such as ZipCar or AutoShare when they need wheels, he said.
“A car is more important as you move away from the core,” said Ritchie, explaining the demand curve for parking.
“Cars are expensive,” said Debbie Cosic, of In2ition Realty who specializes in marketing and selling new home developments. “Parking spots can add $50,000 to the cost of buying a condo, that’s another $240 a month in mortgage payments. Then’s there $300 a month for the car, $100 a month at least for insurance, gas. That’s nearly $1,000 a month for something you don’t need every day.”
Developers are increasingly reluctant to offer parking, she said. Because the cost of land continues to climb, they have to go higher to create enough units to pay back their investment costs.
This, in turn, means developments with small footprints must go deeper to create multi-level parking floors.
“You’d think the cost would go down as they went down but it’s the opposite, the costs increase the deeper you go to build more parking levels,” Cosic said, adding the extras can also be bargaining chips to make or break a sale.
“In the 905 and outside, if they’re having trouble selling they throw in parking spots and lockers to drive sales.”
Wong agrees.
“It does depend on where you want to buy,” he said. “Typically now, the new condos downtown are selling parking spots and lockers separately. But if you go out a bit, say Parklawn Rd. and Lake Shore Blvd., they might offer to throw one in.”
Even lockers are add-ins to a deal, Wong said, and can be sold off — more likely so because some of the lockers in new buildings are cramped and there is not always a ratio of one locker for each unit.
The mix of units in a development will also dictate parking, Cosic said, noting those buying a two-bedroom unit and planning a family will likely end up getting car. They may anticipate that when they buy, even if they don’t initially need parking. Meanwhile, buyers of small, entry-level units downtown won’t make parking a priority.
Lockers, too, are becoming premium items as condo spaces get tighter, she said. Most start at around $2,500 and go to $7,500, depending on size and location. Lockers in luxury buildings can hit $10,000.
“There are some lockers we’ve put in a project on the same floor — like a pantry — which are really cool,” Cosic said.
“They’re in the nooks and crannies left after the mechanicals, like the plumbing and electrical, are run. Others are part of the parking space which people like, as well.”
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416-388-1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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Condo buyers unfazed by rising fees
Garry Marr – Financial Post
For a mere $60,000, you can get yourself a condominium in Toronto’s still-expensive housing market. The only catch: the condo fee.
In the city’s west end, albeit away from the glitter and glory of the downtown core, Ben Myers, vice-president of condominium research firm Urbanation Inc., which tracks the Toronto market, has watched prices plunge in some buildings because the fees have jumped through the roof, scaring off potential buyers.
“Some of these old buildings,” says Mr. Myers, “they are really deteriorating, so they need to raise money to fix things.”
In one case, he says, a unit measuring about 900 square feet recently sold for $60,000, but it came with a hefty condo fee of 98¢ per square foot — $882 — per month.
Comment: So what? Try some of the big old ones with fees in the $1,600/mont range. I showed one in the summer at St. Clair and Avenue Road with fees over $4,000 a month. But for the fees, my people would have bought it. Sure, it was 3,750 square feet with 4 parking spots, but still.
“The building was basically falling apart,” says Mr. Myers.
Still, the issue of fees doesn’t seem to faze many Canadian condo owners or would-be owners.
A new survey shows a majority of respondents have not taken into consideration the fact fees may rise. Worse still, many condo owners appear to have little wiggle room when fees do increase.
The Toronto-Dominion Bank Group-sponsored survey by Environics Research Group contacted 609 residents in Montreal, Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver between Oct. 20 and 25. Respondents had to be currently living in a condo, had recently purchased a condo or were considering purchasing one.
Among the findings of the poll, released last week: 68% didn’t realize condo fees can increase at any time and 38% said they didn’t feel confident they could afford an increase.
Comment: I am scared for the intelligence of the condo buying community if more than 2/3rds of them did not know condo fees could rise. Did they not read the status documents? Did their lawyer not tell them about the budget?
“It’s scary,” says Farhaneh Haque, director of mortgage advice at TD Canada Trust, about how unprepared consumers are for any sort of increase.
The bank also doesn’t factor in the ability of consumers to pay off their liability should fees increase. When consumers are qualified for a mortgage, only 50% of the condo fee is included.
Comment: Which makes no sense. I suggest another mortgage chance, include 100% of condo fees when qualifying.
“We figure if you were buying a house you would have maintenance fees outside that we don’t factor. So when we qualify condo factors we deduct the fee by half,” says Ms. Haque. “We try to address the condo fee when we consider the affordability issue.”
She says the fee can be a factor but is a lifestyle issue as some people are willing to pay higher fees for such amenities as a swimming pool, a health club or even 24-hour security.
“For some people, it is like having a second mortgage,” says Ms. Haque.
Data compiled by Mr. Myers for the Metropolitan Toronto area show fees have indeed risen.
In the third quarter of 2012, the average fee in the Toronto condo resale market was 59¢ per square foot per month, up 2¢ from a year ago. In the new condo market, the average monthly fee was 49¢ per square foot, up a penny from a year ago. The gap between the two markets is due to the fact older condos sometimes include heat and hydro costs.
Comment: And due to the fact that builders notoriously under price condo fees to make the building attractive. Or, they are set 3-5 years before the building completes and things have changed during that time.
In general, condo purchasers are buying into the development’s business, which is a share of the condominium corporation, says Ray Leclair, vice-president of public affairs at Toronto-based Lawyers’ Professional Indemnity Co., which provides title insurance to Canadians.
Mr. Leclair notes that Ontario requires what is called a reserve fund study to make sure a condo board has allocated enough money for future repairs. Future obligations could also include lawsuits.
“People might say there’s $2-million; that’s a great reserve fund but not if the obligations are $4-million,” he says.
Toronto condominium developer Brad Lamb, who believes most consumers do understand that condo fees will go up, says the number of units in a building is probably the most important aspect of any fee. More units, means costs are spread out.
Comments: Almost all of my condo buyers assume fees will rise, they know it will happen.
He also refutes whether condo fees are any more onerous that the costs of home ownership. “I’ve owned plenty of homes and they are money pits. You’re always pouring money into the roof, the furnace, plugged water lines, stopping raccoons. It’s a nightmare.”
Comment: I figure I spend at least $300/month on maintenance of my house. Add in $50/month for water, $100 for gas and maybe $25 for insurance. That would be at least $475 in condo fees. Add in $60 for a gym membership, my time for landscaping and snow shoveling. My costs work out to similar to a $600 condo fee, give or take. And I don’t have the same amenities, no concierge, no cleaning staff, no undergound parking, no pool, etc. I bet I am paying something close to $0.40 to $0.45 per square foot.
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416-388-1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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Toronto Condo Market Sees Bidding Wars Waged by Would-Be Renters
Short Supply For Rental Units In Prime Sites Leads To Above-Asking Price Bids
The Toronto Star reports a low vacancy rate and intense demand for new condo rental units in the most desirable buildings has led to bidding wars among some would-be renters. For condo rentals in Toronto, the vacancy rate has dropped from 3.5% a few years ago to 1.4% today.
A record number of condo construction projects have been approved, but most remain three to five years away from completion, so supply has not yet caught up with demand. As a result, renters seeking a top-class unit in a prime location have taken to offering condo owners more than their asking price.
For example, several months ago, Carol Endicott, 32-year-old public relations firm employee, and a roommate found an attractive new two-bedroom condo listed at $2,000 per month. It had lots of amenities and a convenient location for commuting, so they applied. They soon learned four other applicants were also seeking the unit, and one couple had offered to pay $2,700 monthly for it.
Luckily for Endicott and her roommate, the owner chose them as most likely to be good tenants and keep up the property, even though their $2,100 bid was $600 below the highest offer.
Investors own at least 30% of the condos in Toronto’s newest high-rise luxury condos. in some buildings, nearly all units are held by investors. An executive in one Toronto property management firm says the tight rental market gives owners great leeway to be picky on which bids they will accept, and often brings in higher-than-asked bids from competing applicants. With demand outpacing supply, tenants are also more likely to extend their stays in upper-level condos.
Area realtors say rents for top-quality condo rentals have jumped by about 20% over the past two years. They also say the higher prices are causing more renters to think about bringing in a roommate, even in single bathroom, one-bedroom units.
Some rental applicants are willing to raise their bids in order to get a luxury location. Others may decide the higher rent is a trade-off for the lifestyle convenience of being able to walk to work or even come home for lunch, plus the cost savings from not having to own a car.
To succeed if a bidding war breaks out, Endicott offers this advice: “Stay strong. Don’t give up. And have a good credit rating.” One ReMax agent who helps clients deal with the tight rental market advises them for finish their paperwork before they even start looking. That means not just a good credit score, but also a letter of employment conforming salary and, if possible, a reference from a previous landlord.
Comment: And this is why new condos fly off the shelves. There is a huge and steady demand of people looking to rent. As I have said before, even with 28,000 condos being completed, there are 100,000 coming here every year. They need somewhere to live. There are 5–10,000 new houses being built. Where are the rentals? Oh right, there are about 2 new rental buildings being built. So renters need somewhere to go – condos. That is why the Toronto condo market is not a bubble, not over-saturated and not ready to collapse. Between end users and renters, the demand is increasing every day. This is the data that tells the real story, not stupid stories about shadow markets and assignment sales.
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416−388−1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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