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You want that dream home? Why you’ll have to join the line in this thin housing market

Car­olyn Ire­land – The Globe and Mail

Toronto real estate agent Monte Bur­ris looked out the front win­dow of a Sun­ny­side Avenue house recently and saw a small crowd lined up on the side­walk. That was 45 min­utes before he was sched­uled to receive the hordes at the first open house as the prop­erty hit the mar­ket with an ask­ing price of $1.45-million.

One week later, the sell­ers had accepted an offer of $1.65-million.

Dur­ing the inter­ven­ing days, they had also repelled a hand­ful of bully offers and turned down the seven other bid­ders on offi­cial offer night.

It was obvi­ous early on that every­one wanted the prop­erty,” says Mr. Bur­ris of Keller Williams Real Estate Inc.

The red-brick detached house has six bed­rooms and five bath­rooms. Recently ren­o­vated, it has a gas fire­place in the foyer, a large kitchen, and an expanse of glass over­look­ing the deck and backyard.

When the first bul­lies launched their open­ing salvo, Mr. Bur­ris advised his clients to wait until the sched­uled night for review­ing offers. Bul­lies often step up with an eye-popping offer, but with the pro­viso that it’s only good for a short time. They gen­er­ally refuse to par­tic­i­pate in a bid­ding war.

But list­ings for detached houses are so thin that Mr. Bur­ris knew the prospec­tive buy­ers would likely come back to the table.

I was pretty con­fi­dent they would all show up on offer night. There’s still very lit­tle inven­tory on the market.”

This one sale is emblem­atic of the fickle Toronto mar­ket right now – or as agents like Mr. Bur­ris are say­ing more and more – the two Toronto markets.

Com­ment: True enough. I have a lit­tle semi in Hill­crest that peo­ple are lin­ing up to get into. Open house is today, I am afraid of the hordes that will come…

Con­dos are a com­pletely dif­fer­ent mar­ket,” says Mr. Burris.

That seg­ment is awash in “inven­tory” as agents say. Sell­ers are forced to cut their prices or wait a long time for a sale in some cases.

Com­ment: For some, not for all. Any­thing generic is sit­ting, as there are tons of sim­i­lar units avail­able. The larger or unique ones, with a view or in a bou­tique build­ing, they are still mov­ing nicely. The prob­lem is that there are more and more bor­ing lit­tle white boxes, the condo mar­ket is awash in sameness.

Detached houses will gen­er­ally attract mul­ti­ple offers if they are ren­o­vated and located in a prime neigh­bour­hood. Condo and loft units will attract mul­ti­ple offers in many cases if they are in a bou­tique build­ing or supremely well located. They need to stand out from the competition.

The num­bers show how unpre­dictable the mar­ket is now: sales in the Greater Toronto Area remained flat with a dip of about 1% in the first half of April com­pared with the same period last year. That’s not as grim as the double-digit drops recorded in pre­vi­ous months, but it’s not the spring bounce many agents were hop­ing for.

Com­ment: Sales jumped 16% from –17% to –1% and that is not a big bounce? Sure looks like a large increase to me.

Mean­while, the aver­age price rose 4.3% in the first two weeks of April from the same period last year. List­ings rose 16% in the first half of April com­pared with the first half of April, 2012.

Com­ment: After list­ings being down, sell­ers had held back when things looked bad. Less list­ings and fewer sales, now more list­ings and higher sales. Seems sim­ple enough. And bet­ter weather helps for sure. Spring 2012 saw 25 degrees in Feb­ru­ary for Pete’s sake, which really boosted sales. This year it was cold and crappy until almost the end of April. These things make a difference.

The num­bers were buoyed by sales of single-family homes in the sub­urbs, accord­ing to the Toronto Real Estate Board.

In the City of Toronto, sales of detached houses slipped 3.4% com­pared with the first half of April last year. Condo sales in Toronto declined 4.3% year over year for the same period.

Chan­der Chad­dah of Sut­ton Group-Associates Bro­ker­age Inc. spe­cial­izes in the Ron­ces­valles area. He says sales are def­i­nitely down and the mar­ket remains spotty.

He’s advis­ing his clients who want to buy to aim for a house that does not incite a frenzy.

I had to talk clients out of an offer last week.”

The house was listed with an ask­ing price of $849,000 and Mr. Chaddah’s clients thought they might be able to stretch to an offer of $875,000 or so. Mr. Chad­dah checked out the num­ber of bids on the offer date and told his clients not to get their hopes up. “We don’t have a chance,” he advised them.

The house sold for $1.020-million.

Mr. Chad­dah says many buy­ers seem to fall into the trap of bid­ding for a house as soon as they know that other peo­ple want it.

Com­ment: I can­not say that I have ever seen that. But I have seen them try to throw in a low bid “just in case” they get it. The prob­lem is, they won’t. And if there are 20 bids, at least 10 of them are hail mary bids hop­ing beyond hope that it goes for list price or less. It won’t. What that does, though, is push up the seri­ous bids. All you have to go on in a bid­ding war is the num­ber of bids. And gen­er­ally you see the sale price around $5–10,000 per bid over ask­ing. So 10 bids could push an $849,000 house to $900,000 but 20 will eas­ily send it to $1,020,000. The peo­ple who do not want the price to go too high are the very ones push­ing it up. Had they stayed out of it, the house would have sold for $100,000 less than it did. Now, the next house on the street is listed for $899,000 with bids and sells for $1,100,000 and so on… The peo­ple who were never in the run­ning for the house have now pushed the prices even higher. Exactly what they com­plain about. I try to explain this to peo­ple but they just get mad at me. They think it is their right to make an offer… “just in case”…

There’s no ques­tion that there’s this per­verse need for affirmation.”

He says house hunters who hear that sell­ers who find out that they won’t have to join a con­test – either because the sell­ers haven’t set an offer date or because no rivals have shown up – then start to ques­tion their own judgment.

The ques­tion starts to creep in, ‘what am I missing?’”

Lots of good houses are over­looked that way, he says, and he thinks buy­ers often end up pay­ing too much as a result.

I do more talk­ing peo­ple out of houses than I ever do talk­ing peo­ple into houses,” he says.

Usu­ally buy­ers know pretty quickly if a house feels right to them. If it does, he encour­ages them to be grate­ful if other buy­ers are pass­ing it buy.

Com­ment: Exactly. Your gut tells you it is the right place. If you don’t know it the moment you walk in, then it is not for you. You should never have to con­vince your­self or jus­tify it.

If we think it’s a good house, it’s a good house and we don’t need three other peo­ple to con­firm that. Then I’ll tell them, let’s see if we can go in and knock a cou­ple of bucks off the ask­ing price.”

Mr. Chad­dah is wish­ing that many more sell­ers will decide to list soon. Often peo­ple who are think­ing of putting a “for sale” sign on the lawn will wait for spring flow­ers and bud­ding trees.

More prod­uct,” says Mr. Chad­dah. “That’s what I hope happens.”

At the same time, he tells condo sell­ers that they have to be patient.

There’s a ton of prod­uct out there.”

A really slick condo town­house, or a high-rise unit with a really good view will some­times stir up com­pet­ing bid­ders, he says.

He worked with a buyer recently who bought a nicely ren­o­vated condo on Que­bec Avenue in High Park. The ask­ing price was $489,000 and the buyer beat out the other con­tenders with an offer of $511,000.

Even when it goes over list, it’s more mea­sured,” Mr. Chad­dah says of the action.

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Condo plan for major downtown Toronto site may include a park

Tara Perkins – The Globe and Mail

A developer that has just beat out a number of rivals to buy a much-coveted piece of land on Wellesley Street West near Yonge Street is now in talks with the city about scaling down its condominium plans to make room for a park.

As a result, Toronto Councillor Kristyn Wong-Tam is now confident her long-held desire to see this particular parcel of land become home to some sort of green space, something local residents have also pushed hard for, will be realized.

The turn of events comes after Ms. Wong-Tam fought a losing battle last year to persuade Infrastructure Ontario to let the city lease the land and build a park, potentially with an underground parking lot to raise revenues for both governments. Infrastructure Ontario was selling the two-acre-plus site in order to raise money for the province.

“We would have loved to have been able to purchase it from the province, but the province invited the city to bid on the land in competition with developers,” Ms. Wong-Tam said in an interview. “And we were not successful at being creative and creating a new working relationship with the province because they wanted maximum dollar, and there’s just no way the City of Toronto could compete with deep-pocket developers.”

After two rounds of bidding, the site went to Lanterra Developments, whose CEO Barry Fenton says the company paid $65-million, more than original estimates of what the site would go for. Mr. Fenton said that when the company acquired the nearby Sutton Place Hotel on Bay Street, which it is now turning into The Britt Condos, it paid $58-million. “But it came with a building in place and a lot of infrastructure. This site is barren,” he said in an interview. “It’s a lot of money to spend for 2-1/4 acres of land.”

He added that his understanding is that the province received numerous offers from condo developers, office developers, pension funds and other real estate players.

Now Lanterra is planning to submit an application to the city this week to obtain about 950,000 square feet, enough space for two condo towers. But Mr. Fenton and Ms. Wong-Tam are in talks about doing something different on the site.

“We are in fluid discussions with the city councillor, and the game plan is to see if we can work something out over the next few months that provides more of a park concept with one tower, and that’s something that we would look to do,” Mr. Fenton said.

Ms. Wong-Tam suggested she’s optimistic.

“The province was suggesting to developers that they can develop the site by putting in two to three condominium or office towers,” she said. “Lanterra has been put on notice, and I did tell them that I would expect to see a park as soon as possible.”

The land was once supposed to become home to a ballet and opera house, but governments withdrew the funding for that project in the recession of the early 1990s.

Ms. Wong-Tam said the neighbourhood is one of the most dense parts of the city and there are few remaining opportunities to create park space. “As we lose all the infill sites, opportunities to create new community amenities and new community spaces are lost forever,” she said.

“I believe the end result will be a win-win,” Mr. Fenton said. He expects condos won’t be completed on the site for five or six years, with marketing likely to begin more than a year from now after the zoning application is approved.

He remains a believer in the strength of Toronto’s condo market, despite falling sales across the city and the warnings of economists who suggest the market is overvalued. “I’m spending a lot of money on something when people are telling us every day it’s doom and gloom,” he said.

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Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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Where to work when condos target industrial sites?

In tower-crazy Toronto, the pressure is fierce on planners to allow employment land to be turned over to “mixed-use” development. (Read: more condos.)

Tim Alamenciak – Toronto Star

The struggle for land in Toronto is pitting residential developers against industry in attempts to build condos on lands traditionally dedicated to jobs.

Chief planner Jennifer Keesmaat and her planning department are in the middle, fighting to keep Toronto a city that provides places for people to both live and work.

“There’s a real risk that the city faces at this moment,” Keesmaat said. “We are struggling with — and we need to struggle with — it, because … we could see a wholesale transition and loss of our employment lands.”

A rare window has opened in the form of a five-year plan review, allowing developers with sky-high dreams to push for rezoning lands currently dedicated to employment like factories and offices.

Those areas are, she said, “a really crucial asset to ensuring we have communities where people can live near where they work.”

The city has received more than 90 proposals to convert employment lands to other uses. Most are vying to have them designated as mixed-use areas, which would allow for condo development.

New requests are arriving at the planning office daily.

Documents obtained by the Star show a planning staff fighting hard against the rising tide of development, rejecting about half of the requests for changes to mixed-use developments, including large-scale areas such as the Sterling Rd. project.

Nestle recently waged a campaign against the proposed development.

More recently, the Mr. Christie’s plant at Lake Shore Blvd. and Park Lawn Rd. announced it would close, costing 550 workers their jobs. The company who owns the plant cited pressure from nearby residential developments, and has submitted an application that includes a concept for 27 condo towers.

The planning department has processed 65 applications so far and prepared a report to be considered at Thursday’s meeting of the planning and growth management committee.

“We need to wrap our hands pretty tightly around these employment lands and say, ‘Whoah, hold on a minute, this can’t just be a city where people live; people need to work here, too,’” Keesmaat said.

Employment lands and condos can co-exist, but the arrangement places stress on industrial businesses.

This stress is something Jonathan Bamberger, president of Redpath Sugar Ltd., knows well. He said the waterfront staple has spent millions of dollars handling negotiations regarding the nearby Corus Entertainment building on the east side and a spate of condos to the west.

“If we’d kept quiet, then all of these developments would have happened in the way that the developers would have chosen, and the placement of windows and balconies and everything — then we’d have faced a problem that we’d be out of compliance,” he said.

The company, with Queen Elizabeth doing the honours, officially opened the waterfront plant in 1959. It supplies sugar for many of Toronto’s industrial food operations, including Christie’s, Nestlé and Cadbury.

“We’re still navigating, but we are determined to stay. It’s not easy. As land uses change, you get pressure,” he said. “We had to work out those arrangements at great expense between every single developer on the waterfront here.”

While Redpath is determined to stay, Bamberger admits he’s concerned about what happens when people move into the waterfront condos next door, which are still under construction.

Across the city, Nestlé fired the opening salvos against a proposed development close to its Sterling Rd. factory.

The development, which was rejected by planning staff though seen as acceptable by most area residents, would include 700 residential units and enough office space to facilitate 2,500 jobs. Nestlé fears the nearby residential use would put pressure on its round-the-clock manufacturing operation, but the developer sees his company’s project as essential to the life of the area.

“What it requires is a rethinking which would rejuvenate the entire area and make it attractive to a new economy to move in there,” said Alfredo Romano, president of Castlepoint, the company who made the proposal.

Romano plans to appeal the decision to the Ontario Municipal Board, a provincial oversight body that deals mainly with land designation.

“I fear that not proceeding with this type of plan, the land will lie fallow for a long time to come, which is against everybody’s interest,” he said.

Experts and officials both agree high residential development values are driving the industrial lands towards condos and away from typical manufacturing. Industry simply can’t put up the kind of cash that deep-pocketed developers have.

“It’s quite a challenge in a booming metropolitan area with high land values. The key is, in virtually every case, residential uses can outbid industrial uses,” said Larry Bourne, a planning professor at the University of Toronto.

Bourne said there has to be an ironclad plan to maintain these lands as industrial; otherwise they’ll be kept empty in hopes of being granted residential zoning.

The Toronto Official Plan and Municipal Comprehensive Review process will take years. But the committee is capable of implementing changes along the way that could affect the shape of Toronto today, rather than years down the road.

Keesmaat said that as part of the review they’re looking towards policies that will help industry stay in Toronto.

“The problem is is that if we were to loosen our hold on our employment lands, they’ll all disappear — because that’s what the market will dictate,” she said.

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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416-388-1960

Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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