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Quebec realtors dispute figures showing more condos on sale in Montreal than Toronto
Allison Lampert – The Gazette
Whenever there’s a big national story on the spectre of a tidal wave of plunging resale prices, empty condos and foreclosures turning major Canadian housing markets into ghost towns, the epicentre of the impending collapse always seems to be in either Toronto or Vancouver.
Comment: Which is funny, since Toronto is not collapsing and Vancouver has been for years.
So when recent opinion pieces warned of “signs of another bust in the making” – that the number of homes for sale in Greater Montreal on the Multiple Listing Service now surpassed active listings in Vancouver and Toronto combined, the figures were startling.
Equally surprising were figures showing double the number of condos for sale on the MLS (or on the Centris listing system in Quebec) in Greater Montreal as in Greater Toronto — the largest real estate market in the country, which has more condos under construction than anywhere else in North America.
“Montreal is actually where the greatest supply-demand imbalance currently exists,” analyst Ben Rabidoux wrote Wednesday in The Globe and Mail.
Comment: Which is coming from someone almost as negative as Garth Turner!
While active listings in the Montreal condo market, direct comparisons between the number of homes for sale in the two cities have come under fire.
Comment: You cannot compare them, two different cities. And you cannot compare either to Vancouver.
In a response Wednesday, the Quebec Federation of Real Estate Boards challenged the argument that there were more condos for sale in Montreal than in Toronto, citing the disparity in housing starts between the two cities.
There are now 51,000 condos under construction in Greater Toronto, compared to 12,600 in Greater Montreal, the federation said, citing Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. data. As of January, 20,800 of those condos in Toronto have yet to be sold, compared to 5,800 units in Montreal, wrote Paul Cardinal, the federation’s director for market analysis citing data from research firms in both cities.
Comment: There are actually 61,000 condos under construction in Toronto right now.
“Right there, that’s about four times less than in Toronto,” Cardinal wrote.
Comment: And with about 3.3x as many people in Toronto, for Montreal to have 1/4 the condos makes a lot of sense. The scale is right.
“It’s clear that there are far more condos for sale in Greater Toronto than in Greater Montreal. So we cannot confirm that supply is more problematic in (Montreal) than in Toronto.”
What’s more, the Toronto Real Estate Board tracts data separately for condo apartments and condo townhouses, while in Montreal, those numbers are compiled in one category for all types of condos. Yet most of the comparisons between the cities include all 12,623 condos for sale in Montreal last month, but only cite the 6,123 condo apartments in Toronto, which make up the majority of the active listings in that category.
In March, there were about 1,000 condo townhouses for sale in Toronto, data from TREB show.
But while the comparison may not be two to one, there is still a gap in the active listings between the two cities.
Either way, it’s clear that supply is rising in Greater Montreal, where the condo market now favours buyers for the first time in 15 years with March inventory up 25% to 12,623 units, compared to the same month in 2012.
Comment: Same as Toronto, sellers have ruled the roost for a long time.
While certain Montreal condo projects have already sold out, some developers are now giving away cars, raising brokers’ commissions and running special promotions to sell units. And on Saturday, the downtown Montreal condo tower Avenue is holding a sale where buyers can get higher-floor apartments for the same price as units on lower levels.
For Montreal buyers, it doesn’t take a comparison with Toronto to know that choices abound these days in the city’s condo market.
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Jim Flaherty on home sales dive
‘I don’t mind prices coming down a bit, too’
Tara Perkins and Sean Silcoff – The Globe and Mail
The way Jim Flaherty sees it, his July changes to Canada’s mortgage rules are having the desired effect on the housing market.
“Well, yeah,” the finance minister told The Globe and Mail. “I don’t mind prices coming down a bit, too.”
Mr. Flaherty’s comments Tuesday followed new numbers showing Canadian home sales posted their fastest year-over-year decline in December since he tightened mortgage rules in July.
Sales of existing homes over the Multiple Listing Service fell 17.4% in December from a year earlier, and were down 0.5% from November, according to the Canadian Real Estate Association.
The MLS Home Price Index, which seeks to factor out changes in the types of homes being sold to get an indication of underlying prices, rose 3.3% from a year earlier. That’s the slowest growth since April of last year.
“Successive rounds of tightening mortgage regulations have kept the housing market in check during what has become an extended low interest rate environment,” said CREA chief economist Gregory Klump.
Having said that, the impact of the new rules are probably fully priced into the market now, said Toronto-Dominion Bank senior economist Sonya Gulati.
Comment: And now that we see sales and prices rising in January, can we all just admit how strong the real estate market is? Every rule change has tightened things and made it harder for the marginal people to get in. Yet it keeps going. We keep trimming the fat, and it keeps going. And as we weed out the longer amortizations, the higher re-finances, the hard-to-qualify – this means that those who do buy are more and more able to do so.
Economists at TD went through the data last year in an attempt to quantify just how much of an impact Mr. Flaherty’s four rounds of rule tightening were having.
Comment: Easy, in Toronto it cut the bottom 10–20% out of the market.
In a report in September, they concluded that the changes had a significant permanent drop in housing demand, but “while home prices took an immediate hit following the rule changes, they bounced back within two or three quarters and continued to grow faster than underlying economic fundamentals.”
Comment: But it is a permanent drop from the record highs of 2011. Figures will still be on the high side, in line the the 5-year trend before 2011. And those figures are quite high from a historical perspective.
Blame interest rates.
Now, “with the whopping 17.4% year-over-year change in sales seen in December, we suspect that the impacts from the mortgage rule tightening in July are now fully priced in,” Ms. Gulati said Tuesday. “We expect the Canadian housing market to stabilize at current levels over the next few months.”
Comment: More likely is that they will rebound slightly to a level somewhere between the highs and lows. Expect to see sales levels in the range they were in 2010 or so.
Indeed, Royal Bank of Canada economist Robert Hogue pointed out that listings declined by more than sales in December, and that should lend some support to prices now. The number of newly listed homes fell 1.3% from November.
Comment: Of course, sellers see action slipping, so they pull out to wait and see where the market heads. Now that it is heading back up, there will be more listings – leading to more sales and thus higher prices.
The MLS Home Price Index has been declining for six months on a month-over-month basis, and there have been fears that those declines will accelerate.
Comment: But they never did. They stayed roughly the same month over month.
“But now if supply is adjusting to the lower demand, this may guard against this acceleration of the decline,” Mr. Hogue said in an interview.
He has been of the opinion that the impact of Mr. Flaherty’s latest round of rule changes, which included cutting the maximum length of insured mortgages to 25 years from 30, would only be temporary.
“We’ll get the answer in the coming months,” he said.
And if the sharp declines in year-over-year sales end, and sales flatten out or even pick up a bit, the measures will have run their course, he said.
Ms. Gulati said the sales-to-listings ratio and the number of months of unsold inventory are well within the normal range.
“However, when we compare prices to other standard metrics like price-to-income, we still believe that prices have deviated from underlying economic fundamentals,” she said. “With this in mind, house prices will likely resume their trek downwards once higher interest rates come into effect in the fourth quarter of 2013.”
Comment: Yet now the BoC is saying rates will not rise, due to a slower than predicted economy.
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416−388−1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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