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Canada home prices seen falling, but not crashing
Andrea Hopkins – Reuters
Canadian housing prices will fall 10% over the next several years and home building will slow sharply in 2013, but the country’s recent property boom is not expected to end in a U.S.-style collapse, according to a Reuters poll.
Comment: That is a national prediction, not a local one for Toronto. With Vancouver dropping like a stone, it is easy to see how average prices could fall. But when something like 14 of 15 major centres are seeing price increases, I am not so sure where is drop is going to come from.
The survey of 20 forecasters published on Friday showed the majority believe the Canadian government has done enough to rein in runaway prices, preventing the type of crash that has devastated the U.S. market for years.
“This isn’t a sharp correction, this isn’t a U.S.-style correction, it’s just simply an unwinding of the excess valuation that was created by artificially low interest rates for a long period of time,” said Craig Alexander, chief economist at Toronto-Dominion Bank.
“I would emphasize that while a 10 % correction sounds scary, in actual fact, this would be a healthy outcome.”
U.S. house prices crashed as a mortgage crisis unraveled in 2008, triggering a financial crisis and leaving a trail of foreclosures, negative equity and financial hardship for millions of people. Housing prices in the U.S. have only begun to rise again this year.
On a national basis, Canadian house prices are expected to drop 10% over the next several years, and housing starts will fall more than 17% to 184,000 units by mid-2013, according to median results of the poll, which was conducted over the last week.
House prices have already begun to cool in some areas but nationally remain 23% higher than their trough in March 2009, according to a Canadian Real Estate Association index.
Comment: And this 10% is to happen over a few years. Right now we are up over last year, yet again. So let’s say we start from around 25% up from 2009, then in a few years, say 2016, then we are down 10% but still UP 15% over 2009. Explain to me how this is a bad thing.
Respondents in the Reuters poll said house prices will rise 2.0% in 2012 and fall 0.1% in 2013, according to the median of 18 forecasts, putting most of the losses at least two years away.
Comment: How do they predict a price drop while predicting prices are going UP an average of 1.9% in 2012-2013?
Median forecasts had Toronto prices rising 5.1% in 2012 and falling 1.3% in 2013. But respondents saw an eventual 5% fall from current levels. Vancouver prices were forecast to fall 2.7% in 2012 and 3.8% in 2013, with an eventual decline of 12.5%.
Comment: If Toronto prices fall at all in 2013 I will eat this blog.
As sales decline and prices fall, home builders will ratchet back on construction starts, the poll showed.
Housing starts, which notched a seasonally-adjusted annual rate of 222,945 units in the third quarter, will decline to 200,500 in the fourth quarter, 186,900 in the first quarter of 2013, and 184,000 in the second quarter of next year.
BITE OUT OF GROWTH
That 17.5% drop in new home building will take a bite out of Canada’s economic growth, fueled by the housing sector, consumer spending and government stimulus since growth slowed in 2009. But a strengthening global economy should help pick up the slack, Alexander said.
Not everyone is as sanguine. While economists at Canada’s major banks have consistently predicted a softening in prices and a slowing in housing starts, some independent analysts see a very hard landing ahead.
“The housing market is something to be very worried about,” said David Madani, Canada economist at consultancy Capital Economics in Toronto.
Madani, whose forecasts are included in the Reuters poll, has consistently predicted a 25% drop in prices and a plunge in housing starts to just 150,000 next year as builders grapple with too many homes and falling demand.
Comment: He has consistently predicted it and it has consistently NOT happened. I fact, prices rose 5-8% in the face of that “prediction”.
“The one symptom that housing bubbles always have in common is the over building, and I feel the banks play this down a bit,” said Madani, pointing to recent housing starts well above the 175,000 to 185,000 pace economists say is needed to keep up with population growth.
Comment: No one has yet been able to explain to me how the 5.5% annual price increase over the past 10-15 years is a bubble. How is that the same as the 127% jump of the late 1980s? Or the 60,000% jump in 6 months during the original bubble, the Dutch Tulip Mania? Prices in Toronto have not risen as much since 1996 as they did from 1987-1990.
“We’ve been building above 200,0000 for several years. And we know we’ve been building above demographic requirements because the evidence is in the inventory data – it’s high, it’s not low,” said Madani.
“The excesses are there, it’s plain and clear to see.”
Comment: What? We have nowhere near enough housing for the demand! That is why 100s of new condo sales centres move 80% or more of their units before shovels hit the dirt. We have bidding wars on rentals! We have investors crying because new condos are down 30% this year. With 100,000 people coming to the GTA every year, they need somewhere to live. Even with 200,000 starts NATIONALLY, we need fully half that in Toronto alone to satisfy demand. These are all real numbers, real data you can check for yourself. What does Capital Economics have but for a desire to get their name in the news?
Still, all 15 respondents who answered an additional question said they believe the Canadian government has done enough to slow the housing market and prevent a U.S.-style crash, as Finance Minister Jim Flaherty has argued.
RULE CHANGES HURT
Mindful of the U.S. boom and bust, the federal government tightened mortgage lending rules four times in the last four years to make it harder for home buyers to take on too much debt in their quest for a home.
The rule changes gradually shorted the maximum mortgage length from 40 years to 25 and also put limits on how much homeowners could borrow against their house, among other measures.
While interest rates are not expected to rise until mid-2013, the stiffer lending rules and government warnings about the high debt loads of Canadian households have helped cool the ardor of home buyers, with the hottest markets, including Vancouver and Toronto, already feeling a chill.
Sales of existing homes were down 15.1% in September from a year earlier, and were 6.5% lower in the third quarter from the previous three months, according to data from the Canadian Real Estate Association.
Prices, which lag sales, have started to come down as well. Prices for existing homes dipped 0.4% in September from August, according the Teranet-National Bank Composite House Price Index, but remain 3.6% higher than a year earlier.
Comment: You cannot compare month to month, as there are naturally yearly cycles with some months higher and some months lower. You can only compare the same month in different years.
Prices of new homes rose 0.2% in the month, the 18th straight monthly gain, and were up 2.4% on the year, according to Statistics Canada.
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Canadian real estate market a tale of two cities
Andy Hoffman and Nicolas Johnson – Globe and Mail
It’s a title Vancouver is more than happy to relinquish.
Canada’s hottest real estate market is finally cooling off, new sales figures show, much to the relief of those who have grown weary of talk of a West Coast property bubble.
At more than $761,000, the average cost of a Vancouver home is still higher than anywhere, but was 3.1% lower in March than in the same month last year. Sales activity is slower, too, down 22.3% through the first three months of 2012.
Comment: But Vancouver’s average is still almost 50% higher than Toronto’s.
But the data from the Canadian Real Estate Association indicate that Toronto’s sizzling market is still gaining momentum, with average prices in the country’s largest city soaring more than 10% last month, to about $504,000.
The diverging fortunes of the country’s two most important real-estate markets adds to the complexity of the policy decisions facing Finance Minister Jim Flaherty and Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney. Both have issued repeated warnings about the high level of personal debt that Canadians are taking on to buy increasingly expensive houses.
But Mr. Flaherty has said he is reluctant to tighten the rules on mortgages again, believing that the market will correct itself, while Mr. Carney is unlikely to raise interest rates any time soon for fear of driving up the currency and hurting other parts of the Canadian economy.
Toronto and Vancouver together account for about one-quarter of all real estate activity in Canada.
The opposing directions of the two cities have resulted in a country-wide average price that’s edging lower, easing economists’ concerns of a U.S.-style crash. And should the trend continue, it may also ease the worries of officials in Ottawa.
“When it comes to housing, Toronto is not Canada, nor is Vancouver,” Douglas Porter, an economist in Toronto at BMO Nesbitt Burns, said in a report.
“For most cities, the market looks well balanced, and is broadly moderating on its own accord.”
Nationally, the average price of a home fell 0.5% to $369,677 in March from last year while sales rose 1.6%.
“The slight decline in the national average price points to a tug of war between Toronto and Vancouver,” Gregory Klump, chief economist for the Canadian Real Estate Association, said in a statement. “The decline in average price reflects the change in Vancouver’s sales mix, not housing price deflation.”
Despite the price drop, few in Vancouver are calling this a correction. The spring of 2011 saw a spike in sales of expensive luxury homes in Vancouver that is now skewing the data for 2012, some argue.
Real estate agent Steve Di Fruscia, who specializes in selling high-end homes, said the Vancouver market, particularly in pricey areas such West Vancouver, are in the midst of a “typical cooling-off period,” after the frenzied activity of a year ago
“We’re still on a very optimistic, greedy part of the year where people are trying to cash in on extra high prices, believing that we will have the same spring as we did last year and prices will continue to skyrocket another 10 to 15%,” he said.
Mr. Di Fruscia markets his clients’ properties in both Canada and mainland China. Some have blamed Vancouver’s high prices on an influx of so-called “foreign” and “speculative” money from foreign investors. However, Mr. Di Fruscia said 95% of his sales of Vancouver homes are to Chinese buyers who are immigrating to Canada as citizens or permanent residents.
There are no statistics on what, if any, impact foreign investors are having on the real estate market in Vancouver, Toronto nor the rest of Canada. Cameron Muir, chief economist of the B.C. Real Estate Association, suggested that in Vancouver, the number of foreign buyers are “much lower” than many people think, accounting for between 1% and 3% of the market.
In Toronto, a low supply of properties is leading to bidding wars that drove up the average price of Toronto homes to $504,117 in March. Toronto’s average home prices have set a new record high in every year since 2000 and 2012 should be no different.
“We’d love to have more inventory to sell because there’s no shortage of buyers looking for good inventory,” said Kevin Somers, the broker area manager for Royal LePage Real Estate Services Ltd. in central Toronto.
“As long as the basic economic indicators and interest-rate outlook remain positive, people will always need a place to live and would rather own than rent in most cases.”
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416-388-1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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