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Toronto Church Loft Conversions

Buyers praise heavenly loft conversions

By Derek Raymaker – Globe and Mail

If there is a higher power, would he or she prefer hardwood floors or granite countertops? And would he or she want to pay $20,000 for a parking space?

In the first half of the 20th century, the upright citizens of Toronto the Good distinguished themselves as among the most god-fearing in the Great Dominion, enthusiastically jamming into pews every Sunday.

If Torontonians observe the same devotion to the divine currently, they do so quietly and usually in the privacy of their own homes. This has left a lot of clergy and parish elders in a great quandary: Do they continue to preach to thinning ranks of worshippers, or do they merge into a tighter circle and offer up their prime real estate to the dark but necessary forces of commerce?

The land may be enticing, but church structures themselves are of limited use when it comes to anything other than the Lord’s work. But since 1999, when loft conversions went into full swing around Toronto, some underused churches have been reborn as loft residences.

These are not slam-dunk loft conversions when it comes to construction or sales. Reconfiguring the often angular and rounded shapes of a church to suit the needs of buyers requires architectural finesse, which does not come cheap, and there are almost always some ugly surprises to deal with after construction begins. This could be anything from termite control to new masonry to being forced to get rid of splendid stained-glass features for the greater good of maintaining structural integrity.

All of these alterations are expensive, and these costs are in turn passed on to the buyer. Unless an addition is included, most church structures can’t really host more than 25 or 30 suites, meaning that the costs of an expensive restoration and conversion can’t be spread out over a large number of buyers.

On the buyer side, a church conversion is really a specialized niche product. Many buyers may find bunking down in a former House of God to be something of a novelty, but in resale terms, these products often don’t have certain features that help sustain the unit’s value, such as terrace space, common amenities and parking.

While these church loft conversions might have a lot of risks associated with them, they are not without their unique features, not the least of which is that they are often in residential areas known for their peace and quiet. Suites are also often more likely to have two levels and unique layouts.

Those who do buy these suites are almost exclusively end-user residents – meaning they’re not going to rent out the units to tenants. This personal commitment helps maintain a seamless aesthetic quality.

The most recent of these conversions to come on the market was The Church on Dovercourt Road between Bloor and College streets, which now houses 28 lofts in the handsome neo-Gothic edifice of the former Centennial Methodist Church.

Two blocks north, Lux Group Inc. is well under way in its conversion of a more austere 1910 church into a 23-suite loft conversion project. With the least expensive suite priced at $499,000 for 1,057 square feet going up to over $700,000 for 1,900 square feet, you can see why these products aren’t in the ballpark for most condo buyers. Single-family homes in the surrounding Bloor and Dufferin area go for similar prices.

A little further west, on Sunnyside Avenue in High Park, another Gothic revival Methodist church has been transformed into The Abbey, which recently completed construction. Of the 24 suites in the grey limestone project, the most recent sale was well into the $700,000s.

Comment: With no factories or warehouses left to convert, watch for even more churches to be converted. Right now I have my eye on The Victoria Lofts, nearing completion at Annete and Medland. Just down the street is the old Czechoslovakian Baptist Church at 600 Annete. Watch for others on Wallace Avenue, Jones north of Queen, Parkdale and elsewhere…

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Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
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    By Derek Raymaker – Globe and Mail

    If there is a higher power, would he or she prefer hardwood floors or granite countertops? And would he or she want to pay $20,000 for a parking space?

    In the first half of the 20th century, the upright citizens of Toronto the Good distinguished themselves as among the most god-fearing in the Great Dominion, enthusiastically jamming into pews every Sunday.

    If Torontonians observe the same devotion to the divine currently, they do so quietly and usually in the privacy of their own homes. This has left a lot of clergy and parish elders in a great quandary: Do they continue to preach to thinning ranks of worshippers, or do they merge into a tighter circle and offer up their prime real estate to the dark but necessary forces of commerce?

    The land may be enticing, but church structures themselves are of limited use when it comes to anything other than the Lord’s work. But since 1999, when loft conversions went into full swing around Toronto, some underused churches have been reborn as loft residences.

    These are not slam-dunk loft conversions when it comes to construction or sales. Reconfiguring the often angular and rounded shapes of a church to suit the needs of buyers requires architectural finesse, which does not come cheap, and there are almost always some ugly surprises to deal with after construction begins. This could be anything from termite control to new masonry to being forced to get rid of splendid stained-glass features for the greater good of maintaining structural integrity.

    All of these alterations are expensive, and these costs are in turn passed on to the buyer. Unless an addition is included, most church structures can’t really host more than 25 or 30 suites, meaning that the costs of an expensive restoration and conversion can’t be spread out over a large number of buyers.

    On the buyer side, a church conversion is really a specialized niche product. Many buyers may find bunking down in a former House of God to be something of a novelty, but in resale terms, these products often don’t have certain features that help sustain the unit’s value, such as terrace space, common amenities and parking.

    While these church loft conversions might have a lot of risks associated with them, they are not without their unique features, not the least of which is that they are often in residential areas known for their peace and quiet. Suites are also often more likely to have two levels and unique layouts.

    Those who do buy these suites are almost exclusively end-user residents – meaning they’re not going to rent out the units to tenants. This personal commitment helps maintain a seamless aesthetic quality.

    The most recent of these conversions to come on the market is The Church on Dovercourt Road between Bloor and College streets, which will involve the creation of 28 lofts in the handsome neo-Gothic edifice of the former Centennial Methodist Church.

    Two blocks north, an unknown builder has yet to begin its conversion of a more austere 1910 church into a 23-suite loft conversion project, the Westmoreland.

    A little further west, on Sunnyside Avenue in High Park, another Gothic revival Methodist church has been transformed into The Abbey, which recently completed construction. All large, these lofts range in size between 1,025 and 1,787 square feet.

    There is also Bob Mitchell’s Church Loft on Claremont, just north of Queen West. Another of his converted churches is The Glebe, likely the first of all Toronto church lofts. St. George on Sheldrake is the luxury loft of the bunch, with suites going up to almost 4,500 square feet with price tags close to $3 million. And there is the Victoria Lofts near Keele and Annette that is set to start construction soon. And there is a rumour that the church on the corner of College and Palmerston is about to have its own conversion facelift soon…

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    UPDATE: As of November 2009, the church on Westmoreland has NOT been converted. Some work has been done, but the project is stalled. I have seen the site for sale on MLS, as-is, so there is little hope of completion any time in the near future.

    By Jane Gadd – Globe and Mail

    For once, “cathedral ceiling” is not an exaggeration.

    At a 100-year-old Anglican church near Bloor Street and Dovercourt Avenue, a sensitive conversion to loft-condominiums by architect Ferdinand Wagner and designers Elaine Cecconi and Anna Simone is preserving the church’s soaring, timbered, Gothic-arched ceiling.

    And that’s not the only glorious feature being incorporated into a loft project that sets a new standard in the often unimaginative world of converting redundant churches into buildings for modern uses.

    At The Westmoreland, which almost sold out in a single public information session a year before its original March, 2005, occupancy date – mostly to family and friends of its creators – residents will roll their sushi in kitchens lined with stone columns and Gothic brick arches, and watch their plasma-screen TVs in rooms lit by stained-glass windows with scenes of crucifixions and saints.

    The three creative minds behind the conversion, which is being built by new development company Lux Group Inc., are positively evangelical about the importance of honouring the cultural and historical integrity of churches that face demolition or transformation beyond recognition as congregations dwindle.

    “The great church architecture of some of Toronto’s oldest and grandest edifices can be given new life and spirit by taking the past and sensitively transforming their glorious structures and art into exciting shelters for today’s urban dwellers,” they say in The Westmoreland‘s prospectus.

    Ms. Simone, who considers Mr. Wagner a genius, says the architect “has gone way beyond what he had to do to maintain the integrity of this building… It has been a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity as architects and designers to work on a project like this.”

    In order to preserve the rich, dark wood that lines the steeply arched ceiling of the church, Mr. Wagner had the roof tiles removed so that insulation could be installed from the outside.

    He is lowering the ground floor to provide the height for two levels of two-storey loft units, with those on the lower level incorporating the rows of stone and brick arches that line the nave.

    While most architects would have used the columns that support the arches as natural break points between loft units, Mr. Wagner has designed the residences so that two complete columns are incorporated in each loft.

    The upper units will have the vaulted ceilings of the church, complete with hammerhead wood trusses.

    The hanging iron lanterns that provided soft illumination in the church will also be used, Ms. Simone says.

    The 25 lofts will include one that is a complete chapel, with the weathered wood floors and panelling retained, and a loft bed beneath a glowing triptych of stained-glass windows.

    Another will cover 5,800 square feet over five levels in the bell tower. It will have a glass-walled elevator incorporated into the well of the original staircase.

    “It’s going to be spectacular; there’s no other word for it,” Ms. Simone says.

    The usual approach taken by developers when converting historical buildings into lofts is to cram in as many units as possible. If the building has heritage value, preservation authorities only require the facade to be kept.

    The distinctive approach taken by Mr. Wagner may explain why he got planning permission for the project in record time – just seven months.

    “There will be negligible changes to the church,” the architect says. “We held a lot of public meetings and worked hard at accommodating people’s concerns. In the end, the neighbours thanked us for the way we went out of our way.”

    The result of this intensive community consultation was the passage of a rezoning bylaw last July, just seven months after the application was made and a scant year after Ms. Cecconi first learned the church was up for sale and galvanized her partner, Ms. Simone, as well as Mr. Wagner and Lux Group into action to buy it.

    Such projects can often languish for years in the rezoning process, and this is one reason many developers are reluctant to undertake them.

    “A lot of people are scared of church projects,” Mr. Wagner says. “There are a lot of unknowns in the construction costs, and then there’s the zoning worry. If you fail, you’ve blown all that time.”

    He says that his 30 years in residential building design have given him “a feel” for the process that helped him with The Westmoreland. “You have to be clear, not indecisive or afraid.”

    He also admits luck played a part. “Everyone wants this kind of site and they’re hard to find.”

    Kevin Hamilton, the chief executive officer of Lux Group, says the company has gone to great lengths to ensure that emotionally important parts of the church that are no longer needed find an appropriate home.

    Several items, such as plaques and windows commemorating members of the Kirkpatrick family installed in the early 1900s, will be returned to the family or, if they cannot be found, to the regiment in which one of the family members commemorated served in the First World War, Mr. Hamilton says.

    Not every Westmoreland occupant is comfortable with the religious imagery of stained-glass windows, and those that are not wanted will be donated to other churches.

    The pews have already been given away.

    And the organ is to be sold on eBay for $1 to anyone who will invest the money to disassemble and restore it.

    The units at The Westmoreland are priced at about $300 a square foot, comparable to standard lofts in the city, and the design of each unit is different because of the unusual space involved. Almost all will include areas that are open to above or below to maximize views of the architectural details.

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