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Canada will avoid U.S.-style real estate bubble, bank says

Prices will decline, but not precipitously

Canadian Press

The news out of Canada’s real estate market isn’t good, but the country will avoid a U.S.-style real estate meltdown, CIBC said Tuesday.

Comment: What news is bad? Sales are up 2.5% in September over August, nationally. And prices are up 1% year-over-year. How is that bad news? Toronto prices are up 6% annually, though sales are down 10%. But sales volume is tied directly to the new mortgage rules and nothing else.

Economist Benjamin Tal said in a report that even recently released data about high levels of Canadian consumer debt aren’t proof that there will be a sudden, big drop in home prices.

Comment: No, because these are the same consumer debt levels we have been talking about for a year now. Why would they cause a problem suddenly tomorrow?

“To be sure, house prices in Canada will probably fall in the coming year or two, but any comparison to the American market of 2006 reflects deep misunderstanding of the credit landscapes of the pre-crash environment in the U.S. and today’s Canadian market,” he wrote.

Comment: Maybe nationally, but not here in Toronto. And heck, even a 0.6% drop annually counts as prices falling… but it really does not mean a lot in the big picture. Will we see a 10% drop, 20% or even 25%? No. Simple as that. No.

Tal noted that Canada’s debt-to-income ratio has just broken the U.S. record set in 2006, but said other countries have had even higher levels without a crash.

Comment: Only after the measurement was changed so that the number jumped 5%. Let’s make sure to put everything in perspective. That and our income is different than theirs, in that our health care is already paid for when we get our after-tax paycheque – they have to pay for theirs. This makes their income lower, in comparison. And our debt is different, it is of higher quality than theirs. It is not a simple apples to apples comparison. Never mind our housing asset values being higher and so on…

Statistics Canada, in revising how it estimates household credit market debt, earlier this month reported record household debt of 163% of disposable income in the second quarter.

Comment: And it used to be 158%. Changing the rules made us break the US record, not an actual change in data.

However, Tal said the U.S. market bubble saw U.S. homeowners with little or no equity value in their homes making them vulnerable when prices fell.

Comment: We have double or triple the equity in our properties, a major difference. And they had an actual bubble. Prices were rising as much as 25% per year at the peak of it. Mortgage fraud jumped over 1,400% in the early 2000s. There are so many differences, I just don’t have the time or space to outline them all.

As well, many buyers in the U.S. benefited from low introductory teaser rates on their mortgages only to be caught short when rates increased and they were faced with increased monthly payments.

“The introduction of the teaser rate, a low introductory rate for a period of two or three years that would adjust upward at the end of the initial period, worked to effectively neutralize U.S. monetary policy,” Tal wrote.

“The practical implication of that was that when the teaser period expired, millions of Americans felt the full impact of two years’ worth of monetary tightening virtually overnight.”

Comment: Their “variable rate” mortgages started at 1% for the first 12 months and then shot up to 12% or something ridiculous. Their mortgage payments doubled or tripled. It was all a ploy by the banks to sucker people into mortgages they could not afford. Either they paid the extortionate rates, or they defaulted and the bank got the property. And this was after they got the mortgage without having to prove income or anything… Work part-time at Walmart? Sure, here’s a mortgage for $600,000! How anyone thought they could afford the teaser rate mortgage payment of $1,800, never mind the $6,000 payment it shot up to after the initial loan period. And thus up to 30% of homeowners defaulted on their mortgages. You can see it all so easily in hindsight.

Home sales in Canada have been falling amid uncertainty about the economy and Ottawa’s tightened mortgage lending rules.

Comment: Not uncertainty, it is just harder for some to get a mortgage now. And monthly payments are higher. Nothing uncertain about that!

According to the Canadian Real Estate Association, September home sales fell 15.1% from a year ago, while the national average price was up 1.1% to $355,777 in September from a year earlier.

The association said excluding Vancouver, the country’s most expensive market, the average price was up 3.4% from a year ago.

Tal said home prices in large cities like Vancouver and Toronto are overshooting their fundamentals and will likely slip as sales fall.

Comment: What are these “fundamentals” that we are overshooting?

“But the Canada of today is very different than a pre-recession U.S., namely as far as borrower profiles are concerned,” he wrote.

“Therefore, when it comes to jitters regarding a U.S.-type meltdown here at home, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

Comment: Amen. The only trigger for housing problems is people believing all the hype. All of the data is available, I do not work with numbers that you cannot see. Do your own math, come to your own conclusions.

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Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
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Deflating the Bubble

The Pun­dits (like Garth Turner) Say: Cana­dian Real Estate Is A Bub­ble About To Burst!
Cliff Küle Says: “Per­haps, But Per­haps Not” (It’s Deflat­ing Already)

By Cliff Küle

In ancient China, there lived a poor, but wise, farmer. One day the farmer’s only horse broke out of the cor­ral and ran away. The farmer’s neigh­bors, all hear­ing the bad news, came to the farmer’s house to con­sole him. The neigh­bors all said, “Oh, what a mis­for­tune.” The farmer replied, “Per­haps, but per­haps not.”

About a week later, the horse returned, bring­ing with it a whole herd of wild horses, which the farmer and his son quickly cor­ralled. The neigh­bors, hear­ing of the cor­ralling of the horses, came to con­grat­u­late the farmer on his good for­tune. As they looked at the cor­ral filled with horses, the neigh­bors said, “Oh, what a bless­ing!” The farmer replied, “Per­haps, but per­haps not.”

A cou­ple of weeks later, the farmer’s son severely broke his leg when he was thrown from a horse he was try­ing to break. The neigh­bors all hear­ing the news, came to con­sole the farmer and son. The neigh­bors said, “Oh, what mis­for­tune.” The farmer replied, “Per­haps, but per­haps not.”

At that time in China, a war broke out between two rival war­lords. An army came to the vil­lage and con­scripted all the young men to fight in the war. The farmer’s son, with his bro­ken leg, was left behind, unfit for mil­i­tary ser­vice. The other young men of the vil­lage died in that war.

NEVER BE TOO CERTAIN

The price of Cana­dian real estate has held up remark­ably well since the crash that demol­ished real estate val­ues in the U.S. & around the world. Some basic, ordi­nary homes in Toronto and Van­cou­ver  are sell­ing for over $1,000,000.

It seems easy to claim that prices will crash in places where they did not crash. Try ‘Googling’ the words Cana­dian real estate bub­ble and you will see more than 4.9 mil­lion results. If that doesn’t seem out­ra­geous, con­sider it rel­a­tive to Canada’s small pop­u­la­tion. Con­sider that Canada’s Hous­ing Bub­ble is a sur­pris­ingly active web­site. Think about CBC head­lines like: “Be Very Afraid of the Cana­dian Hous­ing Bub­ble”. Think about the Globe & Mail (Canada’s major news­pa­per) head­lines like: “Real Estate Swoon Deepens”.

Garth Turner (Cana­dian author of invest­ment books, for­mer mem­ber of Par­lia­ment, for­mer Busi­ness Edi­tor of TV & news­pa­per) has been pound­ing the table on his blogsite, The Greater Fool. He says things like “There’s a 100% chance inter­est rates will be going up .. to deflate demand & val­ues and cre­ate that melt that I keep telling you will be…” He also says that six years into the U.S. real estate implo­sion, “it just gets worse. The lie of a nation is that Canada escaped. We won’t.”

It seems like the whole world is say­ing: ‘Cana­dian Real Estate is in a Bub­ble That Will Burst’. We say: ‘Per­haps, but per­haps not.’ We also say that a gen­eral con­sen­sus is gen­er­ally wrong, and ‘con­ven­tional wis­dom’ is an oxy­moron. Our point is that there may be forces at work that aren’t being seen.

Cana­di­ans Might Not Be See­ing ‘The Big Picture’

The real dri­ving force might not be in Canada. It may be global forces that are dri­ving Cana­dian real estate prices. Global eco­nomic forces are mas­sive rel­a­tive to Canada’s small pop­u­la­tion. Global per­cep­tions work on Canada in a highly lever­aged man­ner. The Cana­dian econ­omy is 1/10th  the size of the U.S. When the world alters the per­cent which it chooses to invest in Canada (espe­cially as com­pared to the U.S.), it has far more ‘torque’. If the world nor­mally invests 1/10th as much in Canada as it does in the U.S.,  then raises it to 1/5th , the impact on Canada is a dou­bling, not a 10% increase.  The lever­age is explained by an old expres­sion. It has been said that when some Cana­dian invest­ment becomes the ‘dar­ling’ of U.S. investors, “it is like try­ing to get Nia­gara Falls to flow through a gar­den hose”.

We will focus here on the Cana­dian res­i­den­tial real estate, though much will also apply to com­mer­cial & farm­land real estate.

1. Canada is viewed as a safe haven in the global finan­cial cri­sis. In some sense, as the world’s finan­cial cri­sis gets worse, Canada’s attrac­tion increases. Much of the world per­ceives Canada as more fis­cally pru­dent, with safer banks, a more wel­com­ing atti­tude and busi­ness envi­ron­ment than other devel­oped nations (includ­ing the United States). Whether true or not, per­cep­tions are impor­tant. Money comes into Canada for invest­ments in the com­modi­ties sec­tor. Emerg­ing mar­kets need resources and Canada has them. Money is also com­ing to Canada for its cur­rency and gov­ern­ment bonds. Investors view the Cana­dian Dol­lar as a ‘commodity-based cur­rency’ at a time when there appears  to be a long-term, sec­u­lar com­modi­ties boom (albeit with seri­ous ‘hic­cups’).  For­eign investors have also put money into Cana­dian gov­ern­ment bonds; per­ceived as hav­ing less of a debt prob­lem than the U.S.. Demand for Cana­dian bonds is help­ing to keep inter­est rates low in Canada, which in turn, helps keep home prices buoyed.

2. Immi­grants are see­ing Canada as more attrac­tive than the United States. While the U.S. was a wel­com­ing nation gen­er­a­tions ago, recent his­tory seems xeno­pho­bic. Mid­dle East­ern­ers have had a hard time even  before 9/11. Fences, vig­i­lante bor­der guards & cam­paigns to remove Mex­i­can work­ers have an impact on atti­tudes around the world.

Pierre Trudeau (“that lib­eral pinko” accord­ing to the Nixon admin­is­tra­tion) encour­aged immi­grants to main­tain their dis­tinct com­mu­ni­ties and cul­ture. The pol­icy was referred to as a ‘Cana­dian Mosaic’. This was very dif­fer­ent than the U.S. ‘Melt­ing Pot’ model. Is it pos­si­ble that all these years later, the ‘Cana­dian Mosaic’ model is pay­ing div­i­dends to Canada; increas­ing immi­gra­tion and invest­ment?  While the U.S. seems to believe that for­eign­ers are tak­ing jobs away from Amer­i­cans & tak­ing government-provided social ser­vices, Canada has done stud­ies that show immi­grants to be a pos­i­tive force. They tend to accept more labor inten­sive jobs and save a higher per­cent of their earn­ings than aver­age Cana­di­ans. Stud­ies also show that immi­grants, on aver­age, become net con­trib­u­tors to Canada in less than 5 years; not ‘drains’ on the tax sys­tem. Like an invest­ment in a new busi­ness, it takes a few years to get estab­lished. The ‘Mosaic’ seems to appre­ci­ate dif­fer­ences instead of try­ing to elim­i­nate them. Immi­grants may find it more welcoming.

When immi­grants come to Canada, their strong fam­ily and com­mu­nity val­ues drive pop­u­la­tion rates higher rel­a­tive to the native-born pop­u­la­tion. This is pos­i­tive demo­graph­ics. In Canada, many of the immi­grants are either well-educated or very wealthy. They are buy­ing homes on arrival, espe­cially in Toronto and Van­cou­ver. Because these immi­grants have no prior credit his­tory with Cana­dian banks, many of them pay cash for their homes. This non-credit fueled buy­ing is not prone to a burst­ing bubble.

3. In addi­tion to immi­grants com­ing to Canada, there are for­eign­ers buy­ing homes in Canada for invest­ment, and for a “Plan B” escape. For exam­ple, Chi­nese in Shang­hai are buy­ing homes in Toronto and Van­cou­ver because there have been grow­ing restric­tions on buy­ing mul­ti­ple prop­er­ties in China, and also because they are set­ting up Canada as their back-up “Plan B” escape (in case things go bad in China).  They may sim­ply see Canada as being bet­ter place for rais­ing a fam­ily. Some of these for­eign­ers are not even immi­grat­ing Canada yet, sim­ply buy­ing homes for their poten­tial future in Canada.

4. As the finan­cial cri­sis sweeps the world, many immi­grants and wealthy fam­i­lies are com­ing to Canada. We have spo­ken to Amer­i­cans who fore­see the day they will want to escape from their country’s esca­lat­ing debt prob­lems and nasty par­ti­san grid­lock that makes solu­tions impos­si­ble. These are well edu­cated, upper mid­dle class Amer­i­cans that fear emerg­ing dra­con­ian laws tar­get­ing busi­nesses and the wealthy. Dur­ing the Amer­i­can Rev­o­lu­tion , Canada had a huge increase in immi­gra­tion; the Empire Loy­al­ists from the U.S. colonies. Are the Amer­i­can pur­chasers of Cana­dian prop­er­ties leav­ing the new Empire; an ironic twist of history?

5. In some respects, Cana­dian banks are more pow­er­ful than the Cana­dian gov­ern­ment. The Cana­dian gov­ern­ment started a key home insur­ance pro­gram in 1946 called CMHC. Today this insur­ance pro­tects the banks on a sig­nif­i­cant por­tion of their home mort­gage loans held. The insur­ance pro­tects the banks in case the home­owner walks away from the home mort­gage loan. The banks ben­e­fit greatly from this pro­gram – not only do the banks lower their risk, but they don’t even have to pay for the insur­ance. The insur­ance is paid for by the home buyer. So, it is in the inter­est of the gov­ern­ment to pro­tect home prices. The banks don’t have to con­vince the gov­ern­ment to do a ‘TARP’ type of bailout – it is built in. Fore­clo­sures lead the banks to go to the gov­ern­ment to claim their insur­ance pay­outs. There­fore, the Cana­dian gov­ern­ment will try every pol­icy within their power to sup­port sta­ble prices.

6. It is dif­fi­cult to empha­size how bull­ish today’s low inter­est rates could be when the ‘over­hang’ (excess inven­tory) is gone. The excess inven­tory in Canada was never as out­ra­geous as in the U.S. See some pre­vi­ous posts of ours, from over the years, that dis­cussed some of these issues. One post, in par­tic­u­lar: “The pri­mary dif­fer­ence between the two mar­kets is that Canada doesn’t have the moun­tain of fraud. Canada is not per­fect: just less bad.”

7. For the last 40 years, the world’s money has sim­ply been Credit. There is no ‘secu­rity’ other than credit to the government’s author­ity. Tril­lions of dol­lars have been cre­ated with the sov­er­eign debt of nations as the ‘bedrock’ – the safest of safe. Pen­sions, insur­ance com­pa­nies, and insti­tu­tional investors of the world have spent decades believ­ing that loans to gov­ern­ment are the safest invest­ments pos­si­ble. Tril­lions of dol­lars are just start­ing to real­ize that nations default on their debt; the secu­rity is not safe. The asset behind Trea­sury Bonds is the government’s abil­ity to col­lect more taxes from its cit­i­zens – not a safe bet in today’s econ­omy. Real estate pro­vides a tan­gi­ble asset; phys­i­cal security.

8. Low inter­est rates are bull­ish for real estate val­ues AND there are forces at work which could keep inter­est rates low for many years to come. Higher inter­est rates could cost the Cana­dian gov­ern­ment too much… they would fight it with any pol­icy pos­si­ble. A pre­cip­i­tous fall in home val­ues could cause mort­gage insur­ance pay­outs to the Cana­dian banks. Also, if Cana­dian inter­est rates go higher, the Cana­dian dol­lar gets stronger. Cana­dian man­u­fac­tur­ers and exporters would get hurt by a stronger cur­rency. They are a pow­er­ful inter­est group in Canada.

More­over, note the fact that the cen­tral bank of the U.S., the Fed­eral Reserve, has promised inter­est rates will stay at essen­tially 0% (on the short-term rates), and low in gen­eral for longer-term rates, into 2015 and maybe beyond that. Canada has a need to fol­low the U.S. lead on inter­est rates (due to the above-mentioned neg­a­tive effects on Canada’s exports).

Fur­ther­more, if either the U.S. or Canada were to raise inter­est rates, the cost of the national debt would con­sume more and more of the fed­eral bud­get (in the U.S., it  already con­sumes about 1/7th of the entire bud­get at today’s arti­fi­cially zero inter­est rates)

And finally, a big objec­tive of the so-called quan­ti­ta­tive eas­ing (money print­ing) pro­grams is to keep inter­est rates low. What may not be under­stood by many peo­ple is that an esti­mated 80% of the hun­dreds of tril­lions in deriv­a­tives held glob­ally are in inter­est rates – there is no way that cen­tral banks can let inter­est rates go too high nor move higher too fast. The world could expe­ri­ence a deriv­a­tives melt­down that would make the 2008 finan­cial cri­sis look like a picnic.

There­fore, inter­est rates could remain low for many years to come, thereby help­ing to keep home prices up.

9. Canada’s Cen­tral Bank Gov­er­nor seems to under­stand Aus­trian Eco­nom­ics and the pos­si­bil­ity that Key­ne­sian Eco­nom­ics may have reached its end­point. This seems miles (kilo­me­ters) ahead of the cen­tral bankers in most countries

After con­sid­er­ing all of the above, will home prices ever go down?

In fact, prices are going down, not only in the U.S. but also in Canada. In real terms; real inflation-adjusted terms. Mean­ing, if you bought a home in Canada a few years ago, even though ‘nom­i­nal’ home prices have risen, in real inflation-adjusted terms, or in gold terms, or in commodity-based terms, home val­ues have gone down. This trend could con­tinue. Another way of say­ing this: If you buy a home today for $500,000, you could have bought 350,000 cups of Tim Horton’s cof­fee or 175,000 TTC (Toronto Tran­sit Com­mis­sion) tokens. It is pos­si­ble that in 10 years time, even though the home value may rise to $1,000,000, that much money might be able to buy only 100,000 cups of Tim Horton’s cof­fee or 50,000 TTC tokens. Real terms value is what really mat­ters. Who cares if you have mil­lions of a cur­rency, if you need bil­lions to live?

In other words, the ‘hous­ing bub­ble’ is deflat­ing some already (even if prices are still going up!) But very few are see­ing it! The depre­ci­a­tion of fiat paper cur­ren­cies, with no tan­gi­ble asset back­ing, hides deflat­ing bub­bles. Depre­ci­at­ing cur­ren­cies cre­ate opti­cal illusions.

If inter­ested, please con­tact us for ref­er­ences & fur­ther evi­dence to our claims. We are only say­ing that per­haps Cana­dian real estate prices won’t crash, as so many pun­dits are pre­dict­ing. We do believe there is some seri­ous imbal­ance (that may take years to fix) when a small, but nice condo in Florida (with great ameni­ties) can be bought for the price of a park­ing spot in down­town Toronto (no joke).

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Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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Luxury condo glut about to flood Toronto housing market

Andrea Hop­kins, Reuters

Five months after buy­ing one of Toronto’s new lux­ury hotel con­do­mini­ums, Oliver Baumeis­ter is gird­ing for a glut of suites like his to hit the mar­ket as the biggest names in the hotel busi­ness open hun­dreds of units in Canada’s largest city.

Baumeis­ter, him­self a real estate agent, is in no rush to sell. When Toronto’s untested mar­ket for five-star condo liv­ing absorbs the sur­plus — say by 2016 — he intends to offload his sky-high unit for a tidy 20% profit, and look for his next Cana­dian real estate investment.

A bunch of it will sit for a while and it will take time to sell,” said Baumeis­ter, who has been buy­ing Toronto con­do­mini­ums with his brother for the past four years.

But we bought it with the belief that the Toronto hotel condo mar­ket def­i­nitely has a future. When we sell, hope­fully … we’ll see about a 20% profit.”

The model of ultra-fine con­dos attached to lux­ury hotels isn’t new — cities like Hong Kong and New York are full of them.

But Toronto, a rel­a­tively small city with no five-star hotel con­do­mini­ums a year ago, is com­ing to the game late but with a vengeance.

By the end of this sum­mer Toronto will have four such projects, as Four Sea­sons, Ritz Carl­ton, Trump and Shangri-La open mas­sive tow­ers in a city where a red-hot mar­ket for all types of hous­ing has brought ris­ing con­cern about a real estate bubble.

The granite-and-glass tow­ers, includ­ing two of Canada’s tallest res­i­den­tial build­ings, are open­ing in quick suc­ces­sion, adding hun­dreds of hotel rooms and more than a thou­sand con­do­mini­ums just as Cana­dian hous­ing hype hits a fever pitch.

Com­ment: And hype is exactly that – hype. Chuck D told us not to believe it, he was right.

Signs of suc­cess are mixed. None of the four projects, whose con­dos cost from just under $1-million to $28-million, has sold out, and the push by devel­op­ers to sell their remain­ing units before a resale mar­ket kicks in has the feel of a tick­ing time bomb.

Com­ment: What push? They all want to sell their units, as with any devel­op­ment regard­less of cost. Trump has been sell­ing for almost 10 years now, of course they want to be done.

I think any devel­oper has con­cerns about that,” said Howard Tikka, direc­tor of mar­ket­ing Talon Inter­na­tional Devel­op­ment Inc, which is devel­op­ing the Trump property.

If you have units left to sell, and peo­ple are tak­ing them to mar­ket to resell, there is just not a whole lot you can do about it.”

With the Ritz Carl­ton already open and the other three not-fully-sold projects due to hit the mar­ket this sum­mer, the devel­op­ers will com­pete with sell­ers of their own lux­ury con­dos as spec­u­la­tors and investors try to cash in.

Com­ment: ASSUMED spec­u­la­tors and investors. Some may have just changed their mind, oth­ers may need to liq­ui­date for finan­cial rea­sons. We have no idea how many will come up for sale, nor the rea­sons why.

While all four projects boast paper prof­its for early investors, the simul­ta­ne­ous sale of dozens — per­haps hun­dreds — of exquis­ite suites may prove too much of a good thing.

I think on the lux­ury side, the mar­ket has already peaked,” said Don Camp­bell, pres­i­dent of the Real Estate Invest­ment Net­work, an author who invests his own money and advises oth­ers about buy­ing into Canada’s hous­ing market.

Camp­bell said six groups iden­ti­fied the same hole in Toronto’s lux­ury mar­ket about 10 years ago. Four projects went ahead, and all of them are com­ing on line at the same time.

Com­ment: But the true mea­sure of this mar­ket seg­ment is not what hap­pens in a few months – it is what hap­pens over the next decade, or more. Any time you have mul­ti­ple instances of the same thing com­ing on line at the same time there can be issues. Just wait it out and things will settle.

TROUBLES AT TRUMP

The Trump project, a 65-story paragon of glitz with a “cham­pagne and caviar” theme, appears the most trou­bled. Plagued by bad press, con­struc­tion delays, dis­grun­tled buy­ers and a hybrid model of res­i­dences and pooled hotel con­dos, the project has the largest por­tion of unsold units despite being the first to open its sales office, in 2004.

Talon said 80% of the tower’s 379 units have sold, pow­ered by the hotel con­dos, cur­rently priced from $967,000. But 40% of the res­i­den­tial con­dos, priced between $2.3-million and $6.3-million, remain unsold.

It said Trump has the most left to sell because it has twice the num­ber of units as com­peti­tors at the Four Sea­sons and Ritz Carl­ton, and focused first on sell­ing its hotel rooms.

The Ritz Carl­ton, Four Sea­sons and Shangri-La projects have kept their condo and hotel rooms sep­a­rate. The condo own­ers have access to hotel ameni­ties but no direct stake in its operation.

Trump, on the other hand, is try­ing to sell all its hotel rooms to pri­vate investors as con­dos. Own­ers can live in the suites, or put the rooms into a rental pool and take a cut of income from the hotel guests stay­ing there.

The busi­ness struc­ture means buy­ers of the pooled hotel condo units are sub­ject to com­mer­cial tax rates rather than lower res­i­den­tial rates, and the bar for financ­ing is higher.

Com­ment: Which is one of the major prob­lems they are hav­ing. No mat­ter how much money you have, when your prop­erty tax bill is 9x higher than you expected, you get mad. And some of those tax bills are $80,000 or even $100,000.

I called every major lender regard­ing Trump, and the only one I could find that was will­ing to finance was HSBC,” said Cal­lum Ross mort­gage con­sul­tant Jason Friesen.

Com­ment: Because our banks are get­ting out of the condo/hotel game. I helped a client buy on Vic­to­ria street a few years back, in a mixed build­ing. He barely got CMHC to back him – in fact I was told that his was the last mort­gage insured for that type of project. So yeah, there is cer­tainly a prob­lem get­ting financ­ing for com­bined buildings.

There were some units that had $20,000 (annual) prop­erty taxes for an $800,000, or 1,500 square foot, unit because it was zoned com­mer­cial. So lenders wouldn’t touch it.”

Com­ment: As I said, imag­ine the bills on the big ones!

Real estate lawyer Bob Aaron, who rep­re­sents “a hand­ful” of dis­grun­tled Trump buy­ers, said some are try­ing to get out of their con­tract or walk­ing away from $250,000 down payments.

The monthly costs are too high, or they real­ized too late that they had over­paid, or can’t finance it, or didn’t real­ize they were get­ting into a busi­ness ven­ture super­im­posed on prop­erty own­er­ship,” he said.

Com­ment: And if no one learned from the fiasco that was 1 King West, then it is their own fault. This sort of thing was huge news, any­one with any inter­est in real estate should have known about it. And it should have prompted a lot of ques­tions that would have avoided the issues here.

They had very smooth sophis­ti­cated mar­ket­ing, and I think buy­ers were daz­zled by being part­ners with Don­ald Trump.”

Com­ment: I don’t know about that. I had an inter­ested client years back and I had exten­sive dis­cus­sions with them. I was never daz­zled, nor were they ever duplic­i­tous. If buy­ers did not do their due dili­gence, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

The Amer­i­can prop­erty mogul has licensed the Trump name to the project but has no part in own­ing or oper­at­ing the tower.

FLIPPERS AND FOREIGN BUYERS

The debate about who is buy­ing them dogs Toronto’s condo boom. There are no fig­ures for for­eign buy­ers in Canada, which is seen as a finan­cial safe haven amid global woes, but talk of afflu­ent Asian, Euro­pean and Mid­dle East­ern investors abounds.

Com­ment: Tridel says that only 5% of their Toronto buy­ers are for­eign, a fig­ure I imag­ine to be fairly rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the mar­ket as a whole. And the Asso­ci­a­tion of Con­do­minium Man­agers says that 22% of units are rented out. So yes, there are actual fig­ures. The prob­lem is that they don’t jibe with the cat­a­stro­phe sto­ries most of the press is writing.

Jan­ice Fox, direc­tor of sales at the Four Sea­sons, esti­mates 30 to 40% of buy­ers there have been for­eign, but she said they intend to live in the units, at least part of the year.

Com­ment: The ultra-luxury mar­ket is NOT rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the Toronto condo mar­ket as a whole.

Some 90% of the Four Sea­sons 210 con­dos have been sold, includ­ing one last year for $28-million, the high­est price ever paid for a Cana­dian con­do­minium. That buyer is for­eign, but the fam­ily intends to move to Toronto, Fox said.

The resale mar­ket may be a gold mine for early buy­ers, as some prices have dou­bled since the first investors signed on in 2004 or 2007.

Com­ment: Most Toronto prop­er­ties have dou­bled since 2004, new or resale.

There’s been a big gain in price. There’s prob­a­bly a small group who bought in 2007 who has had a mas­sive gain and want to cash out on that,” said Michael Braun, mar­ket­ing man­ager for Shangri-La devel­oper West­bank Corp.

With more than 50 of 393 units remain­ing to be sold before August, when con­tracts close and buy­ers can start re-selling, Braun says it could take until early 2014 before Shangri-La sells all of its units.

Real­tors esti­mate between 10% and 20% of pre-construction sales are made by investors who intend to flip the units as soon as the deals close.

Com­ment: Which Real­tors are those? Funny you don’t quote any of them…

The Ritz Carl­ton, open since mid-2011, is a cau­tion­ary tale of the risk of resale. More than 90% of its 159 units have been sold — but nearly two dozen are back on the resale mar­ket, dilut­ing the sales power of the developer.

I think the val­ues have been hurt at the Ritz, where you’ve had some pow­ers of sale,” said real estate agent Brian Per­saud, refer­ring to forced sales due to mort­gage default. “That’s going to harm the value, definitely.”

Com­ment: Peo­ple for­get that these lux­ury projects are the first ones in Toronto. And they all started around the same time and fin­ished around the same time. After this ini­tial buzz, things will slow down. Any new ultra lux­ury projects will be sin­gle events.

As the sum­mer open­ings of the three other projects approach, devel­op­ers and investors seem to have one eye on the clock and one eye on his­tor­i­cally low inter­est rates, des­per­ate to sell before the talk of a burst­ing Toronto condo bub­ble comes true.

Com­ment: THERE IS NO BUBBLE.

There has to be a cor­rec­tion — but hope­fully not within a year …. it is scary,” said a Toronto banker who bought one of the Shangri-La lux­ury units in 2007 and hopes to resell at a 15% profit as soon as he can.

Com­ment: No, there does not HAVE to be a correction.

Obvi­ously there is going to be a spiral-down effect (when all the units hit the mar­ket) but that is to be expected,” said the banker, who bought the unit with his par­ents and declined to be named to pro­tect their pri­vacy. “At worst we’ll break even.”

Com­ment: So this buyer is look­ing to make 15% and the one above is expect­ing 20%. Why does this not sound so bad?

Real estate agent Per­saud is more san­guine. He believes all the lux­ury con­dos will be sold, espe­cially once resale val­ues sta­bi­lize and buy­ers can get a first-hand look at the fin­ished five-star product.

I don’t think they’ll be vacant for­ever,” he said. “Even­tu­ally the mar­ket will catch up to it, but there is going to be blood in the streets for a while.”

Com­ment: That is a dra­matic way to say it, but yes…

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Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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