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Quebec realtors dispute figures showing more condos on sale in Montreal than Toronto

Alli­son Lam­pert – The Gazette

When­ever there’s a big national story on the spec­tre of a tidal wave of plung­ing resale prices, empty con­dos and fore­clo­sures turn­ing major Cana­dian hous­ing mar­kets into ghost towns, the epi­cen­tre of the impend­ing col­lapse always seems to be in either Toronto or Vancouver.

Com­ment: Which is funny, since Toronto is not col­laps­ing and Van­cou­ver has been for years.

So when recent opin­ion pieces warned of “signs of another bust in the mak­ing” – that the num­ber of homes for sale in Greater Mon­treal on the Mul­ti­ple List­ing Ser­vice now sur­passed active list­ings in Van­cou­ver and Toronto com­bined, the fig­ures were startling.

Equally sur­pris­ing were fig­ures show­ing dou­ble the num­ber of con­dos for sale on the MLS (or on the Cen­tris list­ing sys­tem in Que­bec) in Greater Mon­treal as in Greater Toronto — the largest real estate mar­ket in the coun­try, which has more con­dos under con­struc­tion than any­where else in North America.

Mon­treal is actu­ally where the great­est supply-demand imbal­ance cur­rently exists,” ana­lyst Ben Rabidoux wrote Wednes­day in The Globe and Mail.

Com­ment: Which is com­ing from some­one almost as neg­a­tive as Garth Turner!

While active list­ings in the Mon­treal condo mar­ket, direct com­par­isons between the num­ber of homes for sale in the two cities have come under fire.

Com­ment: You can­not com­pare them, two dif­fer­ent cities. And you can­not com­pare either to Vancouver.

In a response Wednes­day, the Que­bec Fed­er­a­tion of Real Estate Boards chal­lenged the argu­ment that there were more con­dos for sale in Mon­treal than in Toronto, cit­ing the dis­par­ity in hous­ing starts between the two cities.

There are now 51,000 con­dos under con­struc­tion in Greater Toronto, com­pared to 12,600 in Greater Mon­treal, the fed­er­a­tion said, cit­ing Canada Mort­gage and Hous­ing Corp. data. As of Jan­u­ary, 20,800 of those con­dos in Toronto have yet to be sold, com­pared to 5,800 units in Mon­treal, wrote Paul Car­di­nal, the federation’s direc­tor for mar­ket analy­sis cit­ing data from research firms in both cities.

Com­ment: There are actu­ally 61,000 con­dos under con­struc­tion in Toronto right now.

Right there, that’s about four times less than in Toronto,” Car­di­nal wrote.

Com­ment: And with about 3.3x as many peo­ple in Toronto, for Mon­treal to have 1/4 the con­dos makes a lot of sense. The scale is right.

It’s clear that there are far more con­dos for sale in Greater Toronto than in Greater Mon­treal. So we can­not con­firm that sup­ply is more prob­lem­atic in (Mon­treal) than in Toronto.”

What’s more, the Toronto Real Estate Board tracts data sep­a­rately for condo apart­ments and condo town­houses, while in Mon­treal, those num­bers are com­piled in one cat­e­gory for all types of con­dos. Yet most of the com­par­isons between the cities include all 12,623 con­dos for sale in Mon­treal last month, but only cite the 6,123 condo apart­ments in Toronto, which make up the major­ity of the active list­ings in that category.

In March, there were about 1,000 condo town­houses for sale in Toronto, data from TREB show.

But while the com­par­i­son may not be two to one, there is still a gap in the active list­ings between the two cities.

Either way, it’s clear that sup­ply is ris­ing in Greater Mon­treal, where the condo mar­ket now favours buy­ers for the first time in 15 years with March inven­tory up 25% to 12,623 units, com­pared to the same month in 2012.

Com­ment: Same as Toronto, sell­ers have ruled the roost for a long time.

While cer­tain Mon­treal condo projects have already sold out, some devel­op­ers are now giv­ing away cars, rais­ing bro­kers’ com­mis­sions and run­ning spe­cial pro­mo­tions to sell units. And on Sat­ur­day, the down­town Mon­treal condo tower Avenue is hold­ing a sale where buy­ers can get higher-floor apart­ments for the same price as units on lower levels.

For Mon­treal buy­ers, it doesn’t take a com­par­i­son with Toronto to know that choices abound these days in the city’s condo market.

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  • Canadian Housing Will Not Go The Way Of The U.S.

    Dale Roberts – SeekingAlpha.com

    There’s a lot of chatter today on the Canadian real estate market — that Canada will soon go the way of the U.S. real estate market circa the 2000′s. Those who write such poppycock (been dying to use one of Conrad Black’s favourite words) have not taken the time to read a study or two of the underlying conditions in the Canadian market, compared to the U.S. in the lead up to the mortgage crisis.

    First off, let’s be clear. The Canadian market is starting to correct. Housing starts are falling, though average housing resale prices are still holding up relatively well in most areas. Most economists, even those who still view the Canadian real estate market in a positive light, acknowledge that Canadian real estate prices are likely to decline over the next year or two. There is the considerable possibility of a housing “soft landing”.

    Comment: The most likely scenario is an overall flattening of the recent rising trends we have seen. Sales volume will settle somewhere near the 10-year average while prices stay close to flat, with inflationary increases. Regional variances, of course, will see Vancouver trend down while Toronto stays hot, for example. Not even sure what a soft landing is anymore, but I guess it is a simple slowdown, a flattening. It is obviously not a crash.

    But here’s why Canada is very unlikely to experience a U.S. style implosion.

    First off, and most importantly, Canada does not have a Fannie or Freddie Mac or Ginnie Mae. And on that, why do these state owned corporations have such friendly names? I’d prefer Government Owned Agency of Mortgage and Economic Destruction, or something that provides that kind of clarity and honesty. Fannie’s and Freddie’s purpose is to expand the secondary mortgage market by securitizing mortgages in the form of mortgage-backed securities (MBS). Hmmm? Did a government agency create the infamous MBS? The ultimate weapon of economic destruction? That looks to be the case.

    It has never been Canada’s housing policy to encourage or subsidize lending to the lower income Canadians. Private banks (notably Canada’s six largest banks) make loan decisions based on the merit of the home buyers. All income must be verified and the buyer must be in a position to afford a five year fixed mortgage rate. Period.

    Which brings us to the root cause of the U.S. mortgage implosion — policy. It was – and is – U.S. government policy to “make” housing available for lower income citizens. It was all during the Great Depression when the Fannie’s and Freddie’s were created. You can blame both parties. As a Canadian, and hence, one who is on the outside looking in, there should be no argument about which party caused the housing meltdown. It was both parties. It has always been both parties.

    It is not Republican policy, or Democrat policy, it has been U.S. policy to social engineer and socialize the risk by putting lower income Americans in homes.

    I’m not for a second suggesting that there was not a long list of unscrupulous private sector mortgage providers who went on a good ol’ fashioned and unscrupulous profiteering rampage, but government set the conditions and laid the groundwork. And as we read above, they even invented the MBS product.

    I’m a big fan of the U.S., I sometimes joke that I’m an American born into a northern nation known as Canada. But in the area of mortgages, the U.S. is more socialist than Canada, or Europe. It’s unfortunate that the land of the free, in the pursuit of the American dream and home ownership, attempted to accomplish the goal by means of government, instead of the free market. Canada is certainly more of a “socialist” country when it comes to healthcare, and … well I guess it’s healthcare and that’s about it. And fortunately we leave the lending to the private sector and our sound banking industry to decide who gets to purchase a home. We do (unfortunately) have a government mortgage insurance scheme, but that is being unwound by our current federal government. Hopefully, one day the government (aka the taxpayer in Canada) will be completely out of the mortgage business.

    Comment: The taxpayer never was – and certainly is not – on the hook for mortgage insurance. Everyone who buys a home pays a premium to CMHC or Genworth, that is where they get their funding. Taxpayers give them nary a red cent. And the whole “they are on the hook for $500 billion in mortgages” is bunk as well. They insure those mortgages, all of which have been paid down since they insured them. And the homes the mortgages are on have all gone up. Truly they have about $400 billion in liabilities against properties worth about double or triple that. Even if every mortgage they insure went into default tomorrow, they could sell all the properties at a discount and make a PROFIT! It is not like they are insuring worthless assets…

    And on that, the government mortgage insurance agency models of the U.S. and Canada are essentially polar opposites. Canada, by law, has to ensure all mortgages with a LTV (loan to value) above 80%. In essence, when the buyer does not put down more than 20% of the home value, he or she must purchase mortgage insurance. In the U.S., it is essentially the opposite. The Fannies and Freddies of the world insure the LTV’s greater than 80%. The riskier mortgages are not insured.

    That’s like insisting that the best drivers on the road who haven’t had an accident in the past 30 years should all be insured, but the 17 year-olds who bang into a few cars every year or two should not be insured.

    Here are a few other “facts”. Canadians on average, own over half of value of their homes. Canadian banks are ranked the most solid on the planet. See my article on the “One Stock Portfolio” that details the history of the Royal Bank of Canada and the Canadian big banks as an investment option. Canadian banking operates under a unique oligopoly situation where the “Big Six” rule – and profit. Those six banks are Royal Bank of Canada, Toronto Dominion Bank , ScotiaBank, Bank of Montreal, Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce and The National Bank of Canada.

    And according to a friend of mine who holds a very senior position in a major Canadian bank, here’s the number one reason why Canada cannot have the same experience as the U.S. housing market meltdown.

    Our market cannot and will not freeze up, as it did in the U.S.

    In the U.S., almost half of the mortgage market simply went away. That sent shock waves throughout the entire U.S. mortgage market. One of the key and damaging characteristics of the U.S. real estate meltdown was the inability to get a non-conforming (higher risk/subprime) mortgage. Some 30-40% of the U.S. mortgage market completely closed. It disappeared. Many people had non-conforming mortgages in the U.S., either due to high loan to value, due to large mortgage size, or poor underwriting criteria. In Canada, even if there was a significant pull back in house prices, CMHC (Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation) will still be available to insure high LTV loans. And Canadian banks can pay CMHC to have them insured at their discretion.

    So it is difficult to imagine any reason for banks to stop lending any form of mortgage that exists today. While it’s cold up in Canada these days, the mortgage market is not about to freeze up.

    Comment: Heck no! Not when our banks are making billions in profits, billions. And mortgages make up 20-40% of that profit. They have a rather vested interest in making sure they keeping handing out mortgages, strict rules or not.

    We simply don’t do a lot of subprime. For that reason alone, the risk of a major Canadian “housing bust” is greatly mitigated, at least compared to the U.S. experience. Also, you cannot simply walk away from your mortgage and debt responsibilities in Canada. They have laws against that sort of practice. LOL!

    Comment: The US had 30-40% of their mortgages as subprime, Canada has something like 4%. Andour default rate just fell again, to 0.31%. That is only 3 out of every 1,000 mortgages defaulting – and they are all insured.

    If a mortgage does run into arrears, Canadian banks do not have a stay period of 90 days (or any extended lockout periods) to foreclose on that mortgage. They can swoop in and immediately take care of their investment. Once again, the private sector does its thing. If you can’t pay your mortgage, banks will take back the property and then go after your future earnings.

    In Canada, there also is no incentive to over leverage to take advantage of the mortgage tax deduction. A mortgage does not qualify for a tax deduction in Canada. Canadians take on a mortgage and in most cases try to get rid of it as quickly as possible. There is very limited use of teaser rates in Canada.

    Canadian banks are not forced to lend to lower income applicants, such as the coercion that exists in the U.S. CRA, the Community Reinvestment Act that mandates banks (okay, okay — “encourages”) to lend a certain percentage of their book to low income communities.

    And a few points from a paper by Avery Shenfeld of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce. The speculative activity in Canada is well below that of the U.S. (when they were heading into the meltdown). Housing starts in Canada have recently been about 10% above household formations. In the U.S. it was 80% of household formations. That’s drastic to say the least. Non-conforming mortgages in Canada for 2012 are just above 5%. In the U.S. they were well above 25%. The number of negative equity position mortgages in the U.S. in 2005 and 2006 was one third, even before the price drop(s). In Canada, the negative equity position is zero, according to CIBC.

    It should be very clear, that Canada is not the U.S. when it comes to the mortgage industry, and situation. It’s just not apples to apples. It’s more like apples to maple trees.

    Given the strengths and precautions outlined above, it’s possible (but not guaranteed) that Canada can engineer a soft landing. That’s difficult for sure, but the current government has been tightening lending regulations, and our Central Bank has been trying to talk down Canadians, warning them of the risks of high debt levels. Some steam is coming out of the market. Falling and stabilizing home prices, is a healthy event.

    Comment: Why do we have to have a soft landing, or landing of any sort? Prices for most things always rise over time, be they houses or cars or chocolate bars. Movies used to be a nickel for Grampa, remember?

    And as I wrote in the “One Stock Portfolio” article, I still think that Canada’s big banks are a great place for Americans to invest (long term) and Canada sits in a very unique place, full of opportunity with exposure to the U.S. and emerging market growth. Canadian banks are worth a look. Just recently, they’ve reported some incredible numbers. Royal Bank led off the Canadian Banks’ earnings season with fourth-quarter profits that rose 22% to $1.9 billion. RBC also reported record profits for the year.

    A U.S. style mortgage market meltdown in Canada? Don’t bank on it, eh.

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  • Bidding wars gone for condos, slowing for houses

    Car­olyn Ire­land – The Globe and Mail

    Sell­ers seem to be feel­ing a bit more jit­tery in Toronto’s fall real estate mar­ket. Thanks­giv­ing week­end is typ­i­cally quiet so the light traf­fic at open houses last week­end isn’t nec­es­sar­ily a reli­able barom­e­ter for the Octo­ber market.

    Sure enough, new list­ings picked up again right after the weekend.

    Real estate bro­ker John Pasalis of Rea­los­o­phy Realty Inc. says the mar­ket is def­i­nitely nerve rack­ing for condo own­ers who are try­ing to sell, but some peo­ple with a single-family prop­erty are also look­ing at the resale num­bers for Sep­tem­ber and quickly becom­ing real­is­tic. That means, for exam­ple, they’re not so quick to demand offers on a spec­i­fied date.

    A lot are just tak­ing offers any time.”

    While mul­ti­ple offers for con­dos have all but dis­ap­peared, agents say, bid­ding wars are still com­mon for semis and detached houses. Mr. Pasalis con­firms that, but he says they have slowed con­sid­er­ably since spring. Some houses have seen offer dates come and go with­out a bid, he adds.

    So a great house on a cov­eted street may attract sev­eral bids, but a mar­ginal house in a less ideal loca­tion will sit longer.

    This new sobri­ety comes after the Toronto Real Estate Board reported that resale condo sales in Sep­tem­ber declined 27% in the Greater Toronto Area com­pared with the same month last year. Sales for detached houses dropped 19% and semis 20% in the same period.

    The mar­ket def­i­nitely has cooled quite a bit,” he says.

    Mr. Pasalis also crunched the num­bers for the fall sur­vey of mar­ket val­ues, which appeared in Globe Real Estate last week. The results show how resale prices in Toronto neigh­bour­hoods have changed com­pared with the same period last year.

    Most of the neigh­bour­hoods that see big swings in prices are not mov­ing in or out of favour with buy­ers, Mr. Pasalis says, but more likely are see­ing the num­bers skewed by the mix of sales.

    In the Annex, for exam­ple, resale prices fell 12% in the period from Jan­u­ary to August com­pared with the same period last year. Mr. Pasalis points out that those neigh­bour­hoods have prop­er­ties in a huge range of prices. If the sam­ple size is small, a few multi-million dol­lar sales can warp the results .

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