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Luxury condo glut about to flood Toronto housing market

Andrea Hop­kins, Reuters

Five months after buy­ing one of Toronto’s new lux­ury hotel con­do­mini­ums, Oliver Baumeis­ter is gird­ing for a glut of suites like his to hit the mar­ket as the biggest names in the hotel busi­ness open hun­dreds of units in Canada’s largest city.

Baumeis­ter, him­self a real estate agent, is in no rush to sell. When Toronto’s untested mar­ket for five-star condo liv­ing absorbs the sur­plus — say by 2016 — he intends to offload his sky-high unit for a tidy 20% profit, and look for his next Cana­dian real estate investment.

A bunch of it will sit for a while and it will take time to sell,” said Baumeis­ter, who has been buy­ing Toronto con­do­mini­ums with his brother for the past four years.

But we bought it with the belief that the Toronto hotel condo mar­ket def­i­nitely has a future. When we sell, hope­fully … we’ll see about a 20% profit.”

The model of ultra-fine con­dos attached to lux­ury hotels isn’t new — cities like Hong Kong and New York are full of them.

But Toronto, a rel­a­tively small city with no five-star hotel con­do­mini­ums a year ago, is com­ing to the game late but with a vengeance.

By the end of this sum­mer Toronto will have four such projects, as Four Sea­sons, Ritz Carl­ton, Trump and Shangri-La open mas­sive tow­ers in a city where a red-hot mar­ket for all types of hous­ing has brought ris­ing con­cern about a real estate bubble.

The granite-and-glass tow­ers, includ­ing two of Canada’s tallest res­i­den­tial build­ings, are open­ing in quick suc­ces­sion, adding hun­dreds of hotel rooms and more than a thou­sand con­do­mini­ums just as Cana­dian hous­ing hype hits a fever pitch.

Com­ment: And hype is exactly that – hype. Chuck D told us not to believe it, he was right.

Signs of suc­cess are mixed. None of the four projects, whose con­dos cost from just under $1-million to $28-million, has sold out, and the push by devel­op­ers to sell their remain­ing units before a resale mar­ket kicks in has the feel of a tick­ing time bomb.

Com­ment: What push? They all want to sell their units, as with any devel­op­ment regard­less of cost. Trump has been sell­ing for almost 10 years now, of course they want to be done.

I think any devel­oper has con­cerns about that,” said Howard Tikka, direc­tor of mar­ket­ing Talon Inter­na­tional Devel­op­ment Inc, which is devel­op­ing the Trump property.

If you have units left to sell, and peo­ple are tak­ing them to mar­ket to resell, there is just not a whole lot you can do about it.”

With the Ritz Carl­ton already open and the other three not-fully-sold projects due to hit the mar­ket this sum­mer, the devel­op­ers will com­pete with sell­ers of their own lux­ury con­dos as spec­u­la­tors and investors try to cash in.

Com­ment: ASSUMED spec­u­la­tors and investors. Some may have just changed their mind, oth­ers may need to liq­ui­date for finan­cial rea­sons. We have no idea how many will come up for sale, nor the rea­sons why.

While all four projects boast paper prof­its for early investors, the simul­ta­ne­ous sale of dozens — per­haps hun­dreds — of exquis­ite suites may prove too much of a good thing.

I think on the lux­ury side, the mar­ket has already peaked,” said Don Camp­bell, pres­i­dent of the Real Estate Invest­ment Net­work, an author who invests his own money and advises oth­ers about buy­ing into Canada’s hous­ing market.

Camp­bell said six groups iden­ti­fied the same hole in Toronto’s lux­ury mar­ket about 10 years ago. Four projects went ahead, and all of them are com­ing on line at the same time.

Com­ment: But the true mea­sure of this mar­ket seg­ment is not what hap­pens in a few months – it is what hap­pens over the next decade, or more. Any time you have mul­ti­ple instances of the same thing com­ing on line at the same time there can be issues. Just wait it out and things will settle.

TROUBLES AT TRUMP

The Trump project, a 65-story paragon of glitz with a “cham­pagne and caviar” theme, appears the most trou­bled. Plagued by bad press, con­struc­tion delays, dis­grun­tled buy­ers and a hybrid model of res­i­dences and pooled hotel con­dos, the project has the largest por­tion of unsold units despite being the first to open its sales office, in 2004.

Talon said 80% of the tower’s 379 units have sold, pow­ered by the hotel con­dos, cur­rently priced from $967,000. But 40% of the res­i­den­tial con­dos, priced between $2.3-million and $6.3-million, remain unsold.

It said Trump has the most left to sell because it has twice the num­ber of units as com­peti­tors at the Four Sea­sons and Ritz Carl­ton, and focused first on sell­ing its hotel rooms.

The Ritz Carl­ton, Four Sea­sons and Shangri-La projects have kept their condo and hotel rooms sep­a­rate. The condo own­ers have access to hotel ameni­ties but no direct stake in its operation.

Trump, on the other hand, is try­ing to sell all its hotel rooms to pri­vate investors as con­dos. Own­ers can live in the suites, or put the rooms into a rental pool and take a cut of income from the hotel guests stay­ing there.

The busi­ness struc­ture means buy­ers of the pooled hotel condo units are sub­ject to com­mer­cial tax rates rather than lower res­i­den­tial rates, and the bar for financ­ing is higher.

Com­ment: Which is one of the major prob­lems they are hav­ing. No mat­ter how much money you have, when your prop­erty tax bill is 9x higher than you expected, you get mad. And some of those tax bills are $80,000 or even $100,000.

I called every major lender regard­ing Trump, and the only one I could find that was will­ing to finance was HSBC,” said Cal­lum Ross mort­gage con­sul­tant Jason Friesen.

Com­ment: Because our banks are get­ting out of the condo/hotel game. I helped a client buy on Vic­to­ria street a few years back, in a mixed build­ing. He barely got CMHC to back him – in fact I was told that his was the last mort­gage insured for that type of project. So yeah, there is cer­tainly a prob­lem get­ting financ­ing for com­bined buildings.

There were some units that had $20,000 (annual) prop­erty taxes for an $800,000, or 1,500 square foot, unit because it was zoned com­mer­cial. So lenders wouldn’t touch it.”

Com­ment: As I said, imag­ine the bills on the big ones!

Real estate lawyer Bob Aaron, who rep­re­sents “a hand­ful” of dis­grun­tled Trump buy­ers, said some are try­ing to get out of their con­tract or walk­ing away from $250,000 down payments.

The monthly costs are too high, or they real­ized too late that they had over­paid, or can’t finance it, or didn’t real­ize they were get­ting into a busi­ness ven­ture super­im­posed on prop­erty own­er­ship,” he said.

Com­ment: And if no one learned from the fiasco that was 1 King West, then it is their own fault. This sort of thing was huge news, any­one with any inter­est in real estate should have known about it. And it should have prompted a lot of ques­tions that would have avoided the issues here.

They had very smooth sophis­ti­cated mar­ket­ing, and I think buy­ers were daz­zled by being part­ners with Don­ald Trump.”

Com­ment: I don’t know about that. I had an inter­ested client years back and I had exten­sive dis­cus­sions with them. I was never daz­zled, nor were they ever duplic­i­tous. If buy­ers did not do their due dili­gence, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

The Amer­i­can prop­erty mogul has licensed the Trump name to the project but has no part in own­ing or oper­at­ing the tower.

FLIPPERS AND FOREIGN BUYERS

The debate about who is buy­ing them dogs Toronto’s condo boom. There are no fig­ures for for­eign buy­ers in Canada, which is seen as a finan­cial safe haven amid global woes, but talk of afflu­ent Asian, Euro­pean and Mid­dle East­ern investors abounds.

Com­ment: Tridel says that only 5% of their Toronto buy­ers are for­eign, a fig­ure I imag­ine to be fairly rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the mar­ket as a whole. And the Asso­ci­a­tion of Con­do­minium Man­agers says that 22% of units are rented out. So yes, there are actual fig­ures. The prob­lem is that they don’t jibe with the cat­a­stro­phe sto­ries most of the press is writing.

Jan­ice Fox, direc­tor of sales at the Four Sea­sons, esti­mates 30 to 40% of buy­ers there have been for­eign, but she said they intend to live in the units, at least part of the year.

Com­ment: The ultra-luxury mar­ket is NOT rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the Toronto condo mar­ket as a whole.

Some 90% of the Four Sea­sons 210 con­dos have been sold, includ­ing one last year for $28-million, the high­est price ever paid for a Cana­dian con­do­minium. That buyer is for­eign, but the fam­ily intends to move to Toronto, Fox said.

The resale mar­ket may be a gold mine for early buy­ers, as some prices have dou­bled since the first investors signed on in 2004 or 2007.

Com­ment: Most Toronto prop­er­ties have dou­bled since 2004, new or resale.

There’s been a big gain in price. There’s prob­a­bly a small group who bought in 2007 who has had a mas­sive gain and want to cash out on that,” said Michael Braun, mar­ket­ing man­ager for Shangri-La devel­oper West­bank Corp.

With more than 50 of 393 units remain­ing to be sold before August, when con­tracts close and buy­ers can start re-selling, Braun says it could take until early 2014 before Shangri-La sells all of its units.

Real­tors esti­mate between 10% and 20% of pre-construction sales are made by investors who intend to flip the units as soon as the deals close.

Com­ment: Which Real­tors are those? Funny you don’t quote any of them…

The Ritz Carl­ton, open since mid-2011, is a cau­tion­ary tale of the risk of resale. More than 90% of its 159 units have been sold — but nearly two dozen are back on the resale mar­ket, dilut­ing the sales power of the developer.

I think the val­ues have been hurt at the Ritz, where you’ve had some pow­ers of sale,” said real estate agent Brian Per­saud, refer­ring to forced sales due to mort­gage default. “That’s going to harm the value, definitely.”

Com­ment: Peo­ple for­get that these lux­ury projects are the first ones in Toronto. And they all started around the same time and fin­ished around the same time. After this ini­tial buzz, things will slow down. Any new ultra lux­ury projects will be sin­gle events.

As the sum­mer open­ings of the three other projects approach, devel­op­ers and investors seem to have one eye on the clock and one eye on his­tor­i­cally low inter­est rates, des­per­ate to sell before the talk of a burst­ing Toronto condo bub­ble comes true.

Com­ment: THERE IS NO BUBBLE.

There has to be a cor­rec­tion — but hope­fully not within a year …. it is scary,” said a Toronto banker who bought one of the Shangri-La lux­ury units in 2007 and hopes to resell at a 15% profit as soon as he can.

Com­ment: No, there does not HAVE to be a correction.

Obvi­ously there is going to be a spiral-down effect (when all the units hit the mar­ket) but that is to be expected,” said the banker, who bought the unit with his par­ents and declined to be named to pro­tect their pri­vacy. “At worst we’ll break even.”

Com­ment: So this buyer is look­ing to make 15% and the one above is expect­ing 20%. Why does this not sound so bad?

Real estate agent Per­saud is more san­guine. He believes all the lux­ury con­dos will be sold, espe­cially once resale val­ues sta­bi­lize and buy­ers can get a first-hand look at the fin­ished five-star product.

I don’t think they’ll be vacant for­ever,” he said. “Even­tu­ally the mar­ket will catch up to it, but there is going to be blood in the streets for a while.”

Com­ment: That is a dra­matic way to say it, but yes…

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Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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    A view of Central Park, however, is not included

    Erica Alini – Macleans

    Imagine you had $4 million to spend on a new downtown home. In New York, one of the world’s great cities, you could buy a three-bedroom, 2½-bathroom apartment on the edge of Central Park. If you were feeling more frugal you could move a couple of blocks away and snatch up a penthouse with a full view of the park for less than half the price, $1.5 million.

    Or you could spend the money on a three-bedroom, four-bathroom suite at the Residences at the Ritz-Carlton with a full view of… Toronto. A two-bedroom, two-bathroom suite in the same building costs as much as that New York penthouse, and a survey of the Multiple Listing Service shows over 100 condos in Toronto selling for $1.5 million or more (134 to be exact, I checked).

    Comment: And what are the sizes of the units? How current are the finishings? How about averages? Or are you just cherry-picking a couple to make a point that is not quite right? You need to compare apples to apples, cost per square foot and similar aged buildings. Then you know how they stack up. This comparison is flawed to begin with.

    The multi-million-dollar New York price tags for some condos in Canada’s biggest city speak to a dangerously overheated market, say some observers. In Ontario, construction of multiple urban units (which mostly means condo buildings) was up a staggering 50% in March from the previous month. In Toronto alone, there are nearly 48,000 units under construction. In 2011, the city counted 132 residential high-rises under construction—more than New York, Chicago, Miami, Boston and Dallas combined. Later this year, that number is expected to reach 189, according to housing market analyst Ben Rabidoux.

    Comment: Because we have 4,000sf condos with prices over $1.5 million, that makes us over heated? How does the cost of 100 condos related in any way to the number of units in total being built? You are just throwing random numbers around trying to scare pe0ple.

    For some, the cranes that have taken over parts of the city skyline are a sign of a large unmet demand for housing, driven by a growing population and urban policies meant to constrain the city’s horizontal development in favour of building upward. Others, though, see a bubble market that is headed for a bust.

    Comment: Yeah, because 4% per year is INSANE. After inflation, resale condos are going up 1.5%. How is that even remotely like a bubble?

    In the first three months of this year, resale prices for condominium apartments have fallen for the first time since 2009, says Rabidoux, adding: “It’s potentially a disaster waiting to unfold.” If that happens, a few buyers will no doubt regret spending New York prices for a Toronto condo. But at least they’ll have the bragging rights of a Ritz-Carlton address—and plenty of bathrooms.

    Comment: Uh, no, condo prices did not fall. In April they were 4% higher than 2011. Not sure where they got that from…

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  • Towering Toronto

    The city’s buoyant market is being boosted by a new wave of hotel-residence developments

    By David Kaufman – The Financial Times

    It’s been nothing but good news for Toronto’s frothy real estate market. After a decade of steadily rising property prices, 2011 was a near-record year for city residential transactions. Propelled by Canada’s booming, commodities-based economy, home sales jumped by more than 4% while average house prices, now at $465,412, increased by 8% compared with 2010, according to the Toronto Real Estate Board.

    Those numbers contrast sharply with the market in the US, where the Commerce Department reported new home sales fell by an additional 2.2% in December, making 2011 the worst year in recorded American history.

    Into Toronto’s buoyant urban arena comes a decidedly high-cost, and high-profile, new subsector: luxury condominium projects attached to five-star hotels. Long a staple of big urban areas worldwide, Toronto’s nascent hotel-residence boom is playing catch-up as international five-star brands such as Four Seasons, Ritz-Carlton, Trump and Shangri-La open their doors in the city’s skyscraper-filled Downtown and in luxury boutique-lined Yorkville.

    “Toronto real estate has always lagged other leading global markets like Paris or New York,” says Peter Freed, a Toronto property developer working mostly in the loft-filled King Street West corridor. “This has left a serious void in the local marketplace.”

    He ought to know. In 2007, his company, Freed Development, helped kick-start the city’s hotel-residential movement with the launch of 550 Wellington West, in partnership with a Thompson Hotel next door. Its 336 units, ranging from roughly 450 sq ft to 2,400 sq ft, are almost sold out. Prices have appreciated steadily, he says, from C$350 per sq ft at launch to about C$650 today.

    Freed has moved on to Thompson Residences, a 310-unit development directly across from (and serviced by) its namesake hotel. But while 550 Wellington West almost had the hotel-condo market to itself, Thompson Residences, which opens in 2014, joins an increasingly crowded (and costly) group.

    In the heart of Downtown, close to Toronto’s famous CN Tower and Air Canada Centre, the 159-unit Ritz-Carlton Residences opened last year on the upper 20 floors of a 53-storey Kohn Pedersen Fox-designed tower. The apartments are between 1,500 sq ft and 6,000 sq ft and cost from C$1.6m to C$9m. The Ritz-Carlton’s prices are consistent with nearby rivals, the newly-opened 118-unit Trump Toronto Residences and the 287-unit Shangri-La Residences, opening late this year.

    Topping all three will be the costliest property development in Toronto’s (if not, Canada’s) history, the 200-unit Four Seasons Private Residences, which debuts late this year in a pair of new-build towers in the heart of Yorkville. Nearly sold out, Four Seasons units range from 1,265 sq ft to 9,000 sq ft, are priced from C$1.9m and include a 9,300 sq ft penthouse that has already been purchased for C$28m.

    “The demand for large residences from 3,000 sq ft to 5,000 sq ft has been a real surprise,” says Janice Fox, Four Seasons director of sales. “They all sold out within the first year. We could easily sell another hundred more.”

    Fox’s optimism may sound outsized. But the 4,000 sq ft to 6,000 sq ft residences on top of the nearby Hazelton Hotel helped establish Yorkville’s viability when they sold out at more than C$1,000 per sq ft a full year before the project’s 2007 opening date. Both properties, like the Trump, Ritz-Carlton and Shangri-La, have attracted large numbers of Asian and Middle Eastern buyers, while Americans and South Americans have been conspicuous in their absence. Strong interest by Canadians, and especially Torontonians, has been an additional surprise.

    Luring buyers to these projects are the types of amenities and services typical of similarly-styled developments worldwide. There are restaurants with international celebrity chefs: New York’s David Chang and Daniel Boulud at, respectively, the Shangri-La and Four Seasons. Other services include private lobbies, 24-hour concierges, on-site meeting rooms and fleets of chauffeured cars.

    “I’m five minutes from my office but also five minutes from shops and entertainment,” says John Hutson, a Toronto-based partner at Deloitte Canada, who purchased both a one- and two-bedroom condominium at the Shangri-La, which, like the Trump and the Ritz-Carlton, is set in the middle of Toronto’s financial district.

    Yet with most office buildings and leisure amenities closed on weekends, the Downtown district’s main allure might also be its main shortcoming. Toronto-based buyers may want to live where they work but part-time residents may find Downtown’s desolation far less favourable. “The area feels vibrant during the day but turn out the lights and all you see are cabs and glass towers,” says David Fleming, an agent at Bosley Real Estate and author of torontorealtyblog.com.

    And then there’s the projects’ pricing, which, considering the sheer number of units currently hitting the market, Fleming feels is unsustainably high. “We’re looking at upwards of C$2,000 per sq ft for some units,” he says. “I’m very curious to see what happens with the remaining units because personally I have no idea who’s going to buy this stuff.”

    Buying guide

    Pros

    * New-build, top-quality design
    * Five-star, on-site amenities
    * Many projects close to Canada’s financial headquarters

    Cons

    * Upwards of twice average the Toronto condo price
    * Downtown projects may feel desolate on weekends
    * Potential for glut in the market; ongoing predictions of market “correction”

    What you can buy for …

    * $100,000: Nothing
    * $1,000,000: 891 square foot / one-bedroom unit at the Shangri-La Residences ($973,600)

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    Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
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    who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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