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Toronto condo parking spaces can fetch $60K
The resale market for parking spots and condos is steady with some ranging in price up to $60,000. Still, there are a few wrinkles in selling a spot.
Ian Harvey – Toronto Star
With parking a hot commodity for downtown residents who drive, condo owners are taking advantage of the demand and selling their parking spaces.
A spot that was purchased for $18,000 about 15 years ago, for example, was recently sold by its owner for $38,000.
Still, that was a bargain compared to prices that begin at $55,000 — and generate bidding wars — for parking spots in newly built downtown condominiums. Most buildings have fewer parking spaces than condo suites, and many have no visitor parking at all.
Yet even at $40,000 to $60,000, Toronto condo dwellers are still in a sweet spot. In cities such as London, England and New York, parking spots for multi-million-dollar condo units can run up to a cool one million dollars.
In Singapore, one luxury builder has installed a parking elevator to bring owners’ cars to their units where they are off-loaded into a special ensuite parking bay. A home with a two-bay parking garage is $7.7 million.
In Toronto, the resale market for parking spots and condos remains steady with MLS for early March showing some 23 parking spots ranging up to $60,000 and also three lockers for sale with prices from $4,000 to $6,000.
Still, there are a few wrinkles in selling a spot or a locker.
First, read your condominium declaration, says Lorne Shapiro of Basman Smith LLP , a real estate lawyer who works with developers.
“It’s the bible and it will spell out what you can and cannot do,” he said.
Comment: It all depends on whether or not the spot is owned or exclusive use. If you have a deed for the parking spot, you can sell it. If it is a common element that you have exclusive use of, too bad, it stays with the unit and cannot be sold. Same with a locker.
While some older condo corporations may not have anticipated sales of parking spots and storage lockers, most declarations allow sale only to another owner in the building, Shapiro said. And there are reasons why: mainly security.
Assuming it’s permitted, selling a parking spot or locker is the same as selling title to your condo, he said.
“The residential unit, parking spot and locker are all titled and numbered separately so there are no issues with title,” he said. “And you have to pay the maintenance fees on them.”
You also might want to read over your mortgage documents if you’re thinking about “flipping” a parking spot or locker soon after purchase, warns Robert Wong, a real estate broker with Keller Williams Realty . In fact, it’s a good idea to check with your mortgage period.
“If you’ve got a mortgage then the locker or parking spot will likely be included in the value of you condominium,” he said. “If you sell the parking spot or locker, you have changed the value of the property and there could be a problem.”
With more downtown condos going up with fewer parking spots — the 42-storey project at the old Royal Canadian Military Institute on University Ave. near Dundas St., will have none at all — the price for those suites that do have spots, and the resale market for parking spaces, are both escalating.
Politics has also raised its head in the condo parking issue.
The city of Toronto usually demands .67 to .75 parking spaces per unit for most condos and up to 1.1 in some outlying areas but will waive that ratio depending on location.
Homeowners in the Woodbine Ave. and Queen St. E. area in the Beach were recently incensed when they learned a 70-unit condo planned for the neighbourhood would have only 65 spaces — actually more than the requirement. The residents fear an overflow of cars will flood their streets and force those homeowners with street parking further from their regular spots.
Of course, getting a parking spot with a condo all depends on location, location, location. Buyers in the suburbs usually expect parking included the deal, along with a locker, because transit isn’t always close, fast or convenient depending on where they work.
Singles, young couples and empty nesters who buy within the city’s core for the lifestyle, however, aren’t usually interested in parking spots said Jim Ritchie, Tridel’s senior vice president of sales and marketing. Those residents don’t rely on cars and instead use streetcars, subways, bicycles and even shared rides such as ZipCar or AutoShare when they need wheels, he said.
“A car is more important as you move away from the core,” said Ritchie, explaining the demand curve for parking.
“Cars are expensive,” said Debbie Cosic, of In2ition Realty who specializes in marketing and selling new home developments. “Parking spots can add $50,000 to the cost of buying a condo, that’s another $240 a month in mortgage payments. Then’s there $300 a month for the car, $100 a month at least for insurance, gas. That’s nearly $1,000 a month for something you don’t need every day.”
Developers are increasingly reluctant to offer parking, she said. Because the cost of land continues to climb, they have to go higher to create enough units to pay back their investment costs.
This, in turn, means developments with small footprints must go deeper to create multi-level parking floors.
“You’d think the cost would go down as they went down but it’s the opposite, the costs increase the deeper you go to build more parking levels,” Cosic said, adding the extras can also be bargaining chips to make or break a sale.
“In the 905 and outside, if they’re having trouble selling they throw in parking spots and lockers to drive sales.”
Wong agrees.
“It does depend on where you want to buy,” he said. “Typically now, the new condos downtown are selling parking spots and lockers separately. But if you go out a bit, say Parklawn Rd. and Lake Shore Blvd., they might offer to throw one in.”
Even lockers are add-ins to a deal, Wong said, and can be sold off — more likely so because some of the lockers in new buildings are cramped and there is not always a ratio of one locker for each unit.
The mix of units in a development will also dictate parking, Cosic said, noting those buying a two-bedroom unit and planning a family will likely end up getting car. They may anticipate that when they buy, even if they don’t initially need parking. Meanwhile, buyers of small, entry-level units downtown won’t make parking a priority.
Lockers, too, are becoming premium items as condo spaces get tighter, she said. Most start at around $2,500 and go to $7,500, depending on size and location. Lockers in luxury buildings can hit $10,000.
“There are some lockers we’ve put in a project on the same floor — like a pantry — which are really cool,” Cosic said.
“They’re in the nooks and crannies left after the mechanicals, like the plumbing and electrical, are run. Others are part of the parking space which people like, as well.”
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Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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When it comes to condos, size does matters
Larger units ease the transition for move-down buyers.
Ryan Starr – Toronto Star
Many of the purchasers at Ian Zagdanski’s Forest Hill luxury condo project will be moving out of stately homes in high-end neighbourhoods around Toronto.
So the developer of The Upper Canada — an 18-storey building on Avenue Rd. south of Lonsdale Rd. — understands these buyers may feel some trepidation at the prospect of trading in their mansions for life in a multi-family building.
“Transitioning into a condo could come as a shock to the system for people used to living in a 3,000-square-foot house,” acknowledges Zagdanski, vice president of State Building Group.
But unlike at most downtown Toronto condo projects these days — typically tall towers that are filled with tiny units in an effort to keep the offerings affordable —The Upper Canada’s 93 suites will be anything but shoeboxes; all are two-bedroom-plus-den units ranging from 1,000 square feet to 3,000 square feet, plus a balcony or terrace. Prices start in the $800,000s and go to over $2 million.
“Our buyers aren’t going to move into a 500-square-foot condo — they’re just not going to go there,” Zagdanski stresses. “So we’ve got suites that address the needs of people who are moving from bigger homes. And we think they’re a manageable size.”
While the Toronto condo market appears to be taking a bit of a breather, luxury projects like the Upper Canada will continue to sell, Zagdanski insists, because they appeal to wealthy downsizing purchasers who are looking to live in larger condos, just not in a faceless 40-storey building. This upper echelon of buyers hasn’t been well served by most of the projects that have come to market in recent years, he says.
Comment: Right, a breather. That is why sales went from –17% in Q1 to –0.4% in April? A rise of more than 16% is a breather? And condo prices are up, their sales volume is up. Hold on there, we are doing better than you insinuate.
Ted Burnett agrees. The president of Burnac Development Corp., which is developing 277 Davenport — a six-storey, 10-unit project on Davenport Rd. just west of Avenue Rd. — notes that most of the luxury condos out there simply don’t appeal to the sort of purchaser he’s been aiming to lure: wealthier move-down buyers from Forest Hill or Rosedale.
“Those people don’t want to live in some tall tower where you don’t get to know your neighbours, where you just go up and down in an elevator with strangers all day long and don’t have any personal interaction,” he says.
At 277 Davenport, suites range from 1,819 square feet with two bedrooms and two and a half bathrooms, to 3,767-square-foot suites with three bedrooms and three and a half bathrooms.
Prices start at $1.65 million for lower-floor suites and go to $3.3 million for those on the top levels. Unit layouts and finishes can be customized to suit the tastes of the buyer.
Three of the units have sold so far, all of them to empty nesters moving from larger homes. “For people who are coming out of a house that’s 6,000 square feet, these still offer substantial space and room for storage and privacy,” Burnett says. “It’s not like we’re building 50 floors of pillboxes.”
(The penthouse unit at 277 Davenport — which takes up the entire top floor of the building, with a direct elevator, large patio and terrace and private swimming pool — sold earlier this year to a local buyer for $5.3 million.)
Burnett says 277 Davenport is modeled after the smaller high-end residences found along Park Avenue in New York. “When there are only 10 families in the building, you’re always seeing them and interacting with them,” Burnett says. “For people who are moving from houses, it’s a much more intimate style of living.”
Downsizers who can’t afford to purchase at one of these super luxe projects, but nonetheless want a fair-sized condo to transition into, may want to consider heading north.
At Dream Tower, the 25-storey third phase of Emerald City at Don Mills Rd. and Sheppard Ave., many of the 316 suites on offer are two-bedroom-plus-den units as large as 1,265 square feet.
“You don’t hear much about (suites that size) downtown, unless they’re in a luxury building,” says Baker Real Estate president Barbara Lawlor, who is handling sales for the project. “This building is mid-level and yet you can have those kinds of choices and they’re affordably priced.”
A 1,000-square-foot suite at Dream Tower sells for $499,900, she points out, making it an attractive choice for move-down buyers who live in the area. “Even if you’re coming from a more middle-of-the-road home, you can still get a good-sized suite with the square footage all on one level, which is more efficient than in a house.”
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Contact the Jeffrey Team for more information – 416−388−1960
Laurin & Natalie Jeffrey are Toronto Realtors with Century 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these articles, they just reproduce them here for people
who are interested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.
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