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Luxury condo glut about to flood Toronto housing market

Andrea Hop­kins, Reuters

Five months after buy­ing one of Toronto’s new lux­ury hotel con­do­mini­ums, Oliver Baumeis­ter is gird­ing for a glut of suites like his to hit the mar­ket as the biggest names in the hotel busi­ness open hun­dreds of units in Canada’s largest city.

Baumeis­ter, him­self a real estate agent, is in no rush to sell. When Toronto’s untested mar­ket for five-star condo liv­ing absorbs the sur­plus — say by 2016 — he intends to offload his sky-high unit for a tidy 20% profit, and look for his next Cana­dian real estate investment.

A bunch of it will sit for a while and it will take time to sell,” said Baumeis­ter, who has been buy­ing Toronto con­do­mini­ums with his brother for the past four years.

But we bought it with the belief that the Toronto hotel condo mar­ket def­i­nitely has a future. When we sell, hope­fully … we’ll see about a 20% profit.”

The model of ultra-fine con­dos attached to lux­ury hotels isn’t new — cities like Hong Kong and New York are full of them.

But Toronto, a rel­a­tively small city with no five-star hotel con­do­mini­ums a year ago, is com­ing to the game late but with a vengeance.

By the end of this sum­mer Toronto will have four such projects, as Four Sea­sons, Ritz Carl­ton, Trump and Shangri-La open mas­sive tow­ers in a city where a red-hot mar­ket for all types of hous­ing has brought ris­ing con­cern about a real estate bubble.

The granite-and-glass tow­ers, includ­ing two of Canada’s tallest res­i­den­tial build­ings, are open­ing in quick suc­ces­sion, adding hun­dreds of hotel rooms and more than a thou­sand con­do­mini­ums just as Cana­dian hous­ing hype hits a fever pitch.

Com­ment: And hype is exactly that – hype. Chuck D told us not to believe it, he was right.

Signs of suc­cess are mixed. None of the four projects, whose con­dos cost from just under $1-million to $28-million, has sold out, and the push by devel­op­ers to sell their remain­ing units before a resale mar­ket kicks in has the feel of a tick­ing time bomb.

Com­ment: What push? They all want to sell their units, as with any devel­op­ment regard­less of cost. Trump has been sell­ing for almost 10 years now, of course they want to be done.

I think any devel­oper has con­cerns about that,” said Howard Tikka, direc­tor of mar­ket­ing Talon Inter­na­tional Devel­op­ment Inc, which is devel­op­ing the Trump property.

If you have units left to sell, and peo­ple are tak­ing them to mar­ket to resell, there is just not a whole lot you can do about it.”

With the Ritz Carl­ton already open and the other three not-fully-sold projects due to hit the mar­ket this sum­mer, the devel­op­ers will com­pete with sell­ers of their own lux­ury con­dos as spec­u­la­tors and investors try to cash in.

Com­ment: ASSUMED spec­u­la­tors and investors. Some may have just changed their mind, oth­ers may need to liq­ui­date for finan­cial rea­sons. We have no idea how many will come up for sale, nor the rea­sons why.

While all four projects boast paper prof­its for early investors, the simul­ta­ne­ous sale of dozens — per­haps hun­dreds — of exquis­ite suites may prove too much of a good thing.

I think on the lux­ury side, the mar­ket has already peaked,” said Don Camp­bell, pres­i­dent of the Real Estate Invest­ment Net­work, an author who invests his own money and advises oth­ers about buy­ing into Canada’s hous­ing market.

Camp­bell said six groups iden­ti­fied the same hole in Toronto’s lux­ury mar­ket about 10 years ago. Four projects went ahead, and all of them are com­ing on line at the same time.

Com­ment: But the true mea­sure of this mar­ket seg­ment is not what hap­pens in a few months – it is what hap­pens over the next decade, or more. Any time you have mul­ti­ple instances of the same thing com­ing on line at the same time there can be issues. Just wait it out and things will settle.

TROUBLES AT TRUMP

The Trump project, a 65-story paragon of glitz with a “cham­pagne and caviar” theme, appears the most trou­bled. Plagued by bad press, con­struc­tion delays, dis­grun­tled buy­ers and a hybrid model of res­i­dences and pooled hotel con­dos, the project has the largest por­tion of unsold units despite being the first to open its sales office, in 2004.

Talon said 80% of the tower’s 379 units have sold, pow­ered by the hotel con­dos, cur­rently priced from $967,000. But 40% of the res­i­den­tial con­dos, priced between $2.3-million and $6.3-million, remain unsold.

It said Trump has the most left to sell because it has twice the num­ber of units as com­peti­tors at the Four Sea­sons and Ritz Carl­ton, and focused first on sell­ing its hotel rooms.

The Ritz Carl­ton, Four Sea­sons and Shangri-La projects have kept their condo and hotel rooms sep­a­rate. The condo own­ers have access to hotel ameni­ties but no direct stake in its operation.

Trump, on the other hand, is try­ing to sell all its hotel rooms to pri­vate investors as con­dos. Own­ers can live in the suites, or put the rooms into a rental pool and take a cut of income from the hotel guests stay­ing there.

The busi­ness struc­ture means buy­ers of the pooled hotel condo units are sub­ject to com­mer­cial tax rates rather than lower res­i­den­tial rates, and the bar for financ­ing is higher.

Com­ment: Which is one of the major prob­lems they are hav­ing. No mat­ter how much money you have, when your prop­erty tax bill is 9x higher than you expected, you get mad. And some of those tax bills are $80,000 or even $100,000.

I called every major lender regard­ing Trump, and the only one I could find that was will­ing to finance was HSBC,” said Cal­lum Ross mort­gage con­sul­tant Jason Friesen.

Com­ment: Because our banks are get­ting out of the condo/hotel game. I helped a client buy on Vic­to­ria street a few years back, in a mixed build­ing. He barely got CMHC to back him – in fact I was told that his was the last mort­gage insured for that type of project. So yeah, there is cer­tainly a prob­lem get­ting financ­ing for com­bined buildings.

There were some units that had $20,000 (annual) prop­erty taxes for an $800,000, or 1,500 square foot, unit because it was zoned com­mer­cial. So lenders wouldn’t touch it.”

Com­ment: As I said, imag­ine the bills on the big ones!

Real estate lawyer Bob Aaron, who rep­re­sents “a hand­ful” of dis­grun­tled Trump buy­ers, said some are try­ing to get out of their con­tract or walk­ing away from $250,000 down payments.

The monthly costs are too high, or they real­ized too late that they had over­paid, or can’t finance it, or didn’t real­ize they were get­ting into a busi­ness ven­ture super­im­posed on prop­erty own­er­ship,” he said.

Com­ment: And if no one learned from the fiasco that was 1 King West, then it is their own fault. This sort of thing was huge news, any­one with any inter­est in real estate should have known about it. And it should have prompted a lot of ques­tions that would have avoided the issues here.

They had very smooth sophis­ti­cated mar­ket­ing, and I think buy­ers were daz­zled by being part­ners with Don­ald Trump.”

Com­ment: I don’t know about that. I had an inter­ested client years back and I had exten­sive dis­cus­sions with them. I was never daz­zled, nor were they ever duplic­i­tous. If buy­ers did not do their due dili­gence, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

The Amer­i­can prop­erty mogul has licensed the Trump name to the project but has no part in own­ing or oper­at­ing the tower.

FLIPPERS AND FOREIGN BUYERS

The debate about who is buy­ing them dogs Toronto’s condo boom. There are no fig­ures for for­eign buy­ers in Canada, which is seen as a finan­cial safe haven amid global woes, but talk of afflu­ent Asian, Euro­pean and Mid­dle East­ern investors abounds.

Com­ment: Tridel says that only 5% of their Toronto buy­ers are for­eign, a fig­ure I imag­ine to be fairly rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the mar­ket as a whole. And the Asso­ci­a­tion of Con­do­minium Man­agers says that 22% of units are rented out. So yes, there are actual fig­ures. The prob­lem is that they don’t jibe with the cat­a­stro­phe sto­ries most of the press is writing.

Jan­ice Fox, direc­tor of sales at the Four Sea­sons, esti­mates 30 to 40% of buy­ers there have been for­eign, but she said they intend to live in the units, at least part of the year.

Com­ment: The ultra-luxury mar­ket is NOT rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the Toronto condo mar­ket as a whole.

Some 90% of the Four Sea­sons 210 con­dos have been sold, includ­ing one last year for $28-million, the high­est price ever paid for a Cana­dian con­do­minium. That buyer is for­eign, but the fam­ily intends to move to Toronto, Fox said.

The resale mar­ket may be a gold mine for early buy­ers, as some prices have dou­bled since the first investors signed on in 2004 or 2007.

Com­ment: Most Toronto prop­er­ties have dou­bled since 2004, new or resale.

There’s been a big gain in price. There’s prob­a­bly a small group who bought in 2007 who has had a mas­sive gain and want to cash out on that,” said Michael Braun, mar­ket­ing man­ager for Shangri-La devel­oper West­bank Corp.

With more than 50 of 393 units remain­ing to be sold before August, when con­tracts close and buy­ers can start re-selling, Braun says it could take until early 2014 before Shangri-La sells all of its units.

Real­tors esti­mate between 10% and 20% of pre-construction sales are made by investors who intend to flip the units as soon as the deals close.

Com­ment: Which Real­tors are those? Funny you don’t quote any of them…

The Ritz Carl­ton, open since mid-2011, is a cau­tion­ary tale of the risk of resale. More than 90% of its 159 units have been sold — but nearly two dozen are back on the resale mar­ket, dilut­ing the sales power of the developer.

I think the val­ues have been hurt at the Ritz, where you’ve had some pow­ers of sale,” said real estate agent Brian Per­saud, refer­ring to forced sales due to mort­gage default. “That’s going to harm the value, definitely.”

Com­ment: Peo­ple for­get that these lux­ury projects are the first ones in Toronto. And they all started around the same time and fin­ished around the same time. After this ini­tial buzz, things will slow down. Any new ultra lux­ury projects will be sin­gle events.

As the sum­mer open­ings of the three other projects approach, devel­op­ers and investors seem to have one eye on the clock and one eye on his­tor­i­cally low inter­est rates, des­per­ate to sell before the talk of a burst­ing Toronto condo bub­ble comes true.

Com­ment: THERE IS NO BUBBLE.

There has to be a cor­rec­tion — but hope­fully not within a year …. it is scary,” said a Toronto banker who bought one of the Shangri-La lux­ury units in 2007 and hopes to resell at a 15% profit as soon as he can.

Com­ment: No, there does not HAVE to be a correction.

Obvi­ously there is going to be a spiral-down effect (when all the units hit the mar­ket) but that is to be expected,” said the banker, who bought the unit with his par­ents and declined to be named to pro­tect their pri­vacy. “At worst we’ll break even.”

Com­ment: So this buyer is look­ing to make 15% and the one above is expect­ing 20%. Why does this not sound so bad?

Real estate agent Per­saud is more san­guine. He believes all the lux­ury con­dos will be sold, espe­cially once resale val­ues sta­bi­lize and buy­ers can get a first-hand look at the fin­ished five-star product.

I don’t think they’ll be vacant for­ever,” he said. “Even­tu­ally the mar­ket will catch up to it, but there is going to be blood in the streets for a while.”

Com­ment: That is a dra­matic way to say it, but yes…

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Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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  • Condo bump in Toronto could signal overbuilding

    By Jay Bryan, The Gazette

    A big jump in home con­struc­tion last month has reheated con­cerns by some ana­lysts over the prospect of an over­heated hous­ing mar­ket. But the prob­lem is highly local­ized, specif­i­cally among Toronto con­do­mini­ums.

    That’s because the March data on hous­ing starts showed a sharp divide between Toronto con­dos and the rest of the mar­ket. While the num­ber of starts jumped by an unex­pected five% across Canada in a mar­ket that was expected to be roughly unchanged, “this was pretty well entirely Toronto con­dos,” said econ­o­mist Robert Kav­cic at BMO Cap­i­tal Markets.

    Con­struc­tion of Ontario multiple-unit build­ings – mainly con­dos in Toronto – shot up by more than 50% between Feb­ru­ary and March, while the rest of the nation­wide mar­ket remained lit­tle changed from its aver­age pace over the past 12 months.

    Canada’s condo craze kicked into even higher gear dur­ing March, and this is bound to feed con­cerns about over­build­ing,” said Sco­tia Cap­i­tal econ­o­mists Derek Holt and Dov Zigler in a note to clients.

    Holt and Zigler expressed con­cern that the num­ber of unsold new con­do­minium units has been ris­ing sharply.

    Other ana­lysts noted that the condo boom isn’t evi­dent in other big mar­kets, so there’s lit­tle rea­son to see a wide­spread prob­lem in the hous­ing mar­ket. Mon­treal condo starts. for exam­ple, have trended down in recent months

    In Toronto, how­ever, there are lots of anec­do­tal reports of inter­na­tional invest­ment money flow­ing into Toronto’s condo mar­ket as a refuge from the low invest­ment returns and eco­nomic uncer­tain­ties recently dog­ging many other coun­tries, noted econ­o­mist David Onyett-Jeffries at the Royal Bank.

    On top of this, the huge jump in March con­struc­tion is likely the result of excep­tion­ally good weather and the fact that condo con­struc­tion activ­ity can move sharply up in any month, that sees a sin­gle big new project.

    Com­ment: It dropped in Feb­ru­ary then jumped up again to make up for it.

    The recent level of condo starts in Toronto is cre­at­ing strains in the mar­ket, believes Craig Alexan­der, chief econ­o­mist at the TD Bank. Although he doesn’t see it as the kind of spec­u­la­tive mania that would fore­shadow a seri­ous melt­down, there does seem to be a surge of sup­ply that will be hard to absorb.

    Com­ment: The same sup­ply peo­ple have been wor­ry­ing about since 2003. It always finds a way to get absorbed, not to worry. The key is that there is no spec­u­la­tion problem.

    Alexan­der agrees with Onyett-Jeffries that inter­na­tional investors look like a large fac­tor, but he thinks they’re mostly look­ing for long-term rental income in a world where gains on finan­cial mar­kets have been uncer­tain at best, not the overnight cap­i­tal gains one seeks by flip­ping units in a spec­u­la­tive market.

    Com­ment: Yes, the rental mar­ket is now the condo mar­ket. There are no new rental build­ings being built, so investors are sup­ply the rental inven­tory with con­dos. And it seems to be work­ing well.

    Still, Alexan­der believes, the vigour of Toronto condo con­struc­tion has turned this mar­ket, along with the painfully high-priced Van­cou­ver hous­ing mar­ket, into the high-risk neigh­bour­hoods of Cana­dian real estate.

    Com­ment: Van­cou­ver, maybe, as we watch prices drop. But Toronto is still a LONG way from that.

    The prob­lem with hav­ing an sky­rock­et­ing, investor-driven condo mar­ket, he notes, is that all the units now being built could flood the mar­ket, leav­ing some investors unable to find ten­ants and inclined to sell. If many sell at once, it could eas­ily trig­ger a decline in all condo prices.

    Com­ment: Yes, they “could” be a prob­lem. But that is only “if” they all decide to sell at once. And since they are buy­ing them to hold them and rent them for the long term, there is no pres­sure to sell. And if some start to sell, the smart ones will hold theirs and not flood mar­ket, not push­ing prices down. Keep them and the panic sub­sides and the prices stay level or ris­ing. And I have a feel­ing that most of the peo­ple with buck­ets of money to spend here have a brain – how else did they make the money in the first place?

    That prob­a­bly won’t be cat­a­strophic, since Toronto’s demand for hous­ing is strong enough to sop up the excess units over the com­ing decade, but it could lead to bigger-than-average price declines over the next few years. Alexan­der esti­mates that the national home mar­ket is already over­priced by an aver­age of 10 to 15%.

    Com­ment: What is an “aver­age” price decline? See­ing as we have not seen prices go down since 1995, we have no idea what that would be. And even if there is a period of decline, it will not last and prices will rise again. Even in the chaos of 1989, prices rose 127% in 15 months, then crashed. They fell from 1990 to 1996. But then back up again, way up. So if prices drop, again the smart investors will hold their units and wait for prices to rise again before sell­ing. If enough peo­ple do that, prices stop drop­ping as sup­ply dries up. And we are right back where we are right now. And heck, think about it. If prices were to start drop­ping now, peo­ple would go insane to buy. There are a lot of peo­ple who have bought into the false belief that prices will fall. They are all out there, wait­ing… and as soon as prices start to fall, they are going to pounce. And push prices right back up again. Never mind that there are still a lot of buy­ers out there – about 10x as many in the low-rise sec­tor. And with 100–150,000 peo­ple enter­ing the GTA hous­ing mar­ket every year, there is a lot of buy­ing pres­sure across the spectrum.

    His fore­cast, though, is that most of Canada will be able to back off from today’s high home prices with min­i­mal dam­age. Across the coun­try, he thinks prices will be roughly flat this year, then drop per­haps eight to 10%, per­haps a bit less, over the fol­low­ing two years as ris­ing mort­gage inter­est rates squeeze demand.

    Com­ment: Yeah… no. That is not going to hap­pen. Inter­est rates were 5–6% until the past year or so – and still we set sales and price records. Van­cou­ver is drop­ping, but there are bid­ding wars in Hal­i­fax, Toronto… even in Win­nipeg. That is cer­tainly not the start of a price-dropping trend. And if inter­est rates rise, that means the econ­omy is doing well. Which means more peo­ple have jobs and more peo­ple have more money. Which means they can afford to buy houses.

    Under this sce­nario, the fall-off in demand would be grad­ual enough that price declines would have to off­set only about two-thirds or less of today’s over­val­u­a­tion. Ris­ing aver­age incomes would fill the rest of the gap.

    Com­ment: So what is this over­val­u­a­tion? How much is it? Why are they over­val­ued? Oh right, no one ever has an answer. They just say it and expect you to believe it. I don’t… And why would prices drop if incomes are ris­ing? That means they have more money – and can afford higher prices.

    The big excep­tions are likely to be in the Toronto condo mar­ket and the Van­cou­ver mar­ket for both con­dos and single-family homes. Van­cou­ver has actu­ally cooled recently, but remains the highest-priced mar­ket in the country.

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    Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
    They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
    who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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  • Falling condo glass may be underreported, councillor suggests

    Carys Mills and Julien Rus­sell Brunet – Globe and Mail

    Wor­ries about shat­ter­ing glass and exactly whom res­i­dents of Toronto con­do­mini­ums should turn to when any struc­tural issues arise kept the phones ring­ing at one city councillor’s office Thursday.

    It’s brought peo­ple out of the wood­work,” said down­town coun­cil­lor Kristyn Wong-Tam.

    Her ward con­tains some of the five con­dos that have recently show­ered some city streets with glass. She called for a broad inves­ti­ga­tion ear­lier this week after a woman was injured by bal­cony glass that fell from the 31st floor of one building.

    Since then, Ms. Wong-Tam (Toronto Cen­tre–Rosedale) said res­i­dents from inside and out­side her ward have alerted her to pre­vi­ously unre­ported instances of glass break­ing and other condo problems.

    She and her staff fielded about 50 calls Thurs­day, many of them con­cern­ing the glass issue. Some instances of shat­ter­ing glass had gone unre­ported because there’s no stream­lined process or con­tact at the city, she said.

    There’s a sense of con­fu­sion. When your bal­cony glass breaks, who do you con­tact?” she said.

    Provin­cially, Trinity-Spadina MPP Rosario March­ese is call­ing for stricter condo leg­is­la­tion overall.

    There is a lack of pro­tec­tion for the more than one mil­lion condo own­ers in Ontario,” he said in a state­ment late Thursday.

    The falling glass has sent rever­ber­a­tions through the condo and glass industries.

    Barry Fen­ton, pres­i­dent and chief exec­u­tive offi­cer of Lanterra Devel­op­ments, said the com­pany is tak­ing steps to imme­di­ately remove tem­pered glass from its three build­ings on Bed­ford Road, Grenville and Grosvenor streets. Seven of nine balcony-glass inci­dents that have occurred since last Decem­ber were at those build­ings, accord­ing to city officials.

    Fur­ther­more, Mr. Fen­ton said Lanterra would replace the glass with lam­i­nated glass, “a bet­ter prod­uct,” and will use it for all future projects.

    All the falling glass inci­dents involved tem­pered glass rather than the more expen­sive lam­i­nated glass, which is sim­i­lar to the kind used in car windshields.

    We’re react­ing to an indus­try issue that has arisen,” Mr. Fen­ton explained. “We had two ways to deal with it. One was to replace the tem­pered glass with tem­pered glass. And the other was to step up … even at our cost.”

    While Mr. Fen­ton said he had yet to receive cost esti­mates, accord­ing to Doug Per­ovic, a pro­fes­sor of mate­ri­als sci­ence and engi­neer­ing at the Uni­ver­sity of Toronto, lam­i­nated glass is 50 to 200 per cent more expen­sive than tem­pered glass.

    Mr. Fen­ton said Lanterra would be using Toro Alu­minum Rail­ings Inc., the same com­pany that sup­plied the orig­i­nal glass, to carry out the replacements.

    And although the prob­lem of falling bal­cony glass from Lanterra build­ings is “a Toro issue,” he said, “we haven’t lost con­fi­dence in Toro as a company.”

    The peo­ple who sup­ply glass to devel­op­ers are also grap­pling with the problem.

    It’s big news around every­body in the indus­try,” said Frank Ful­ton, board pres­i­dent of the Ontario Glass and Metal Asso­ci­a­tion. He said it’s unlikely there would be so many inci­dents unless the glass was attached improp­erly – with too much pres­sure on the edges, where tem­pered glass is weakest.

    Glass experts say impu­ri­ties in the glass can also lead to spon­ta­neous breakage.

    Still, Mr. Ful­ton said it’s “scary” because tem­pered glass is used so widely due to its low cost. “I would ven­ture to say they’re 98 per cent tem­pered glass,” he said of bal­conies and other parts of Toronto build­ing exte­ri­ors such as slid­ing doors. “There’s mil­lions of pieces of them.”

    On Thurs­day, the city ordered that engi­neer­ing reports from Lanterra and the other devel­op­ers with falling glass be sub­mit­ted to the city by Aug. 31, accord­ing to Ms. Wong-Tam. Once they’re in, the devel­op­ers will have 10 days to come up with an action plan, she said, while city staff pore over the reports.

    She said there’s still a need to dis­cuss updat­ing the province’s build­ing code and other issues with upper lev­els of gov­ern­ment. On the local level, she said, a cen­tral report­ing phone line for condo issues should be considered.

    While anx­i­eties mount, Prof. Per­ovic cau­tions against blow­ing the prob­lem out of proportion.

    In terms of sta­tis­ti­cal sig­nif­i­cance of fail­ure, this is minus­cule com­pared to the num­ber of win­dows that are made and installed.”

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    Lau­rin & Natalie Jef­frey are Toronto Real­tors with Cen­tury 21 Regal Realty.
    They did not write these arti­cles, they just repro­duce them here for peo­ple
    who are inter­ested in Toronto real estate. They do not work for any builders.

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